Gridiron Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Am not sure your text is correct, the picture shows Rathbone Road (ie the road bridge) that crosses the cutting that is still in place today, The gap in the two banks is where the Gridiron bridge over Rathbone Road used to be, Both banks have since been lowered, the one on the right has a nursing home on it, whilst the one of the left forms part of Wavertee Boulevard. The gridiron bridge was demolished shortly after is closed possibly around 1971. The rail bridge across the cutting which was out of shot to the left was part of the circular lasted much longer and may have still be standing when this picture was taken, but it was demolished when the Technology Park was being built. Wavertree Tech station now lies in this picture which I think was probably taken from the top of the bank by the coal yard entrance on Rathbone Road. Apologises if I misread the meaning of the original text! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 ive managed to find a shot of the gridiron bridge over Rathbone Road. It is in a book about LNWR signalling and was taken not long after all the bridges were built, looking in a similar direction to the last shot. Here is another from the same area.. a03k_13 by liverpolitan.im, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gridiron Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Yes, that is definitely the gap were the bridge existed, the houses in background were demolished and some bungalows built on the other side of Pighue Lane, whilst a nursing home was built opposite them after much of the lower end of the Gridiron was levelled. The rest of the Gridiron site remained derelict until the mid 1980's when the decision to build the Technology Park was made following the Toxteth riots in 1981 and the fly tipping was removed! The railway station on the site of this photograph opened in 2000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 The bridges shortly after construction in 1883 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 The bridges shortly after construction in 1883 Edge hill 1883.jpg That looks awfully like a contractor's loco on the bridge; so even possibly before formal handover. Don't the lines running underneath look tidy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gridiron Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Fantastic picture, I only remember the two bridges on the Edge Hill Circular line being jet black! Interestingly the Gridiron bridge over Rathbone Road appears to of a slightly different construction that I can remember and is that a brick wall either side of it? If so it never lasted to the 1950/1960's suggesting that something changed in the intervening years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 1985 close to where Wavertree technology park station is now, the posts for the electfication to Manchester had been up since the 60s, its getting done now but a lot of these posts have been taken down since 1985. A Cathedral To Spare by Feversham Lens, on Flickr 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 In this collection there is a shot from a train passing through the tunnel under the gridiron and over the L&M lines.. http://rcts.org.uk/features/mysteryphotos/index.htm?location=Liverpool&page=3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PjKing1 Posted December 28, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 28, 2013 In this collection there is a shot from a train passing through the tunnel under the gridiron and over the L&M lines.. http://rcts.org.uk/features/mysteryphotos/index.htm?location=Liverpool&page=3 Just looked through these photos, some great shots, another good sight is derbysulzers some really good stories around the merseyside area I'll try and attach the link. http://www.derbysulzers.com/birkenhead2.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairburn Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 This may help - it's from a massive plan of Edge Hill, dated 1961 edgehill.jpg The line in question is labelled up / down Wapping more or less in the middle of the photo DAS_0010.jpg Viaduct Junction details, the curve from bottom right to middle top is the main Liverpool - London line and is at the lower level, the connection from the shed to the down fast that I described is also visible DAS_0011.jpg The original Rathbone Road sidings are visible on this shot, these were replaced by the ones I described above DAS_0013.jpg I'm happy to take more detailed shots if anyone wants any Dave, Just to resurrect this thread, where are the loco holding sidings (used in diesel days)?? Do they sit within the land between the Mossley Hill line and the right/left swing of Viaduct Jct. to Engine Shed Jct. Cheers, Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 They sat on the former shed site, but in the open! South of the L&MR main line and east ot the Edge Hill - Wavertree curve. The line from Wapping on to the Circle dissected the shed yard, but at a higher level, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 some diesel storing sidings were on the site of the coaling stage too, between the London line and the circular lines, opposite to the carriage sidings, I think this is what Fairburn is referring to. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairburn Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Yes, that's exactly it, Mike. What a beaut of a photo. I'd seen some Kerry Parker pics on Flickr - and established there's a potential scenic break with the line coming from the south to the east at the higher level. I was trying to work out where the next scenic break was / would be - your pic above clearly shows it would be the viaduct line from west to east. With the release of the Bachmann 40, I'd been looking at a small (4' - 5') board with holding sidings and not the usual TMD. My layout aspirations are getting smaller and smaller! Alas, a much truncated effort would be my only option with this location. Cheers. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted February 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2014 Additionally On the (first picture in my posting here) plan notice the location "Engine Shed Junction" to the top left, this is where the connection to Edge Hill engine shed joined the running lines, also to the below the word "Viaduct" (in Viaduct Junction) is a single connection with the Down Chat Moss - see the preceeding posts for further information, the connection is also visible in some of the other photos of the plans. hth Here's 46041 on the depot and 45072 (Engine Shed Junction is to the left of this picture, the relay room roof (iirc) can be seen poking out of the grass) 25283 makes it's way around the circular goods - 45072 in the foreground 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairburn Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Dave, That's great, thanks a lot. The viaduct, with dummy lines running off 'under', would make an interesting backscene too. I take it the concrete abutment is the link to the old coaling stage? Cheers. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted February 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2014 Dave, That's great, thanks a lot. The viaduct, with dummy lines running off 'under', would make an interesting backscene too. I take it the concrete abutment is the link to the old coaling stage? Cheers. Ian Correct. the actual shed is off to the right of the 40s and my 46041 picture, under the viaduct. All of this is now Wavertree Technology Park Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 . I take it the concrete abutment is the link to the old coaling stage it is and it would be where the shot of the 4 class 40s would have been taken from Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gridiron Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Would love to see some photo's of a 6 wheel Wapping Tunnel brake van that was often formed on trains coming up the "front" (south side ) of the Gridiron whilst always seemed to work the last train on a Saturday dinnertime in the early sixties over the flyover! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ive got quite a few photos of them and we have a model of one on our Crown Street layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnH Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Thanks to all the contributors on this very interesting topic. Slightly OT but apart from the pic in post #50 has anyone any more photos of Spekeland Road Freight Depot? I'm particularly interested in the late 70's into 1980's period. Many thanks, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gridiron Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Ive got quite a few photos of them and we have a model of one on our Crown Street layout. post-27-0-44557100-1374110328.jpg Thanks Michael, that is superb picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryMeerkat Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Additionally On the (first picture in my posting here) plan notice the location "Engine Shed Junction" to the top left, this is where the connection to Edge Hill engine shed joined the running lines, also to the below the word "Viaduct" (in Viaduct Junction) is a single connection with the Down Chat Moss - see the preceeding posts for further information, the connection is also visible in some of the other photos of the plans. hth Here's 46041 on the depot das04570.jpg and 45072 (Engine Shed Junction is to the left of this picture, the relay room roof (iirc) can be seen poking out of the grass) das04571.jpg 25283 makes it's way around the circular goods - 45072 in the foreground das04588.jpg These are brilliant pictures, exactly how I remember the Edge Hill area when I was growing up (although there was a lot less there apart from the carriage cleaning plant). Although my layout is based (very roughly) on the Allerton area of South Liverpool I'm trying to capture the 'feel' of the Liverpool area in general from my youth, the dirt, black bricks, oily, a 'well used' feel. Would I be ok to save these 2 pictures for personal use as inspiration? And if you have any more of the depot area, particularly the embankments and high-level lines surrounding it, I would love to see them. Thanks, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted May 23, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 23, 2014 Hi Mark, No problem. I do have some more but they need scanning and I'm not currently planning on doing any until after the summer, and I have quite a few thousand to scan when I do - might be a long wait I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryMeerkat Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Hi Mark, No problem. I do have some more but they need scanning and I'm not currently planning on doing any until after the summer, and I have quite a few thousand to scan when I do - might be a long wait I'm afraid. Thanks for the reply and permission. The 2 pics above give me just enough to create a scenic break out of them, which is perfect. Unfortunately the track layout will be 180 degrees to Edge Hill depot, with my depot entrance arriving from underneath the plate girder bridge with the 25 going over it in your pic. I look forward to seeing the rest of your pics from the area, you have excellent shots with many from places most people never got to access. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMartin90125 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Ive got quite a few photos of them and we have a model of one on our Crown Street layout. post-27-0-44557100-1374110328.jpg What is the livery for the brake van? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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