Cornish Triang Paul Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Following a small "happening" yesterday, can anybody with current rulebook knowledge assist ? When shunting with mk3 coaches within depot with staff workin onboard, should they be loose coupled or fully braked ????? Thanks in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 11, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2012 They shouldn't be shunted with staff working onboard (unless some sort of amendment or Local Instruction says to the contrary) but if they are shunted with staff onboard they should be braked. (BTW It does rather depend what the staff are doing - there is no problem shunting braked stock with staff travelling onboard; the problem comes if the staff are working, in which case I would be asking why they have not put 'Not To Be Moved' boards on the stock or why they haven't implemented whatever the depot's staff protection arrangements are). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Hi Even on units, once staff have take down their "not to be moved" board can stay on the train for the movement, mind you, all the movements are "fully braked". It is nice to know if someone is on the train for the shunt so you don't try a "spirited" 10-0mph dropped handled stop! Unless you want buckets and mops sliding up to the internal cab door! Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Triang Paul Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 Thank you. Staff had permission to be onboard. Driver droppedhandle brake without trainbrake connected.......... . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Thank you. Staff had permission to be onboard. Driver droppedhandle brake without trainbrake connected.......... . Bouncy bouncy!!! Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Slightly off topic but, I remember I took a 4CEP into a yard after terminating at the station. I was perhaps a touch over the 10mph reception road speed moving up to the 4car mark - no data recorders then, dropped the handle and to my horror, some woman flew past me straight into the headcode box! She gathered herself up, as if it were an every day occurrence and asked "this is right train for Canterbury?" Oops! I had to take the train back into the station to drop her off, then a small word with the platform staff about checking the trains a little more thoroughly... Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 You can't fly-shunt them then? (Gets coat and heads for exit...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chameleon Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Reminds me of a shunting movement at an unamed local shed where a DMU was drived out of the shed with all the brakes disconnected. It finally stopped when it found the bufferstops at the end of the headshunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted November 13, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2012 Presumably in the OP's incident, someone was in charge of the move - and authorised the driver to proceed. If so, then that person should have advised the driver of the presence of staff on board, surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 13, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2012 Presumably in the OP's incident, someone was in charge of the move - and authorised the driver to proceed. If so, then that person should have advised the driver of the presence of staff on board, surely? Exactly so Ian - looks to me very much a case of 'if we're going to do something incorrectly we needn't bother to correctly do anything else associated with it', not of course that it is actually expressed like that. Very 'old railway' attitude I'm afraid but hardly what I would expect in this modern age of an amazing emphasis on safety although I do wonder if a large part of that emphasis is more about box-ticking and managerial back-covering than it is about proper safety culture in the way people are trained to think and work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Not being that up on air braked stock so forgive if it's a stupid question.. Don't the brakes hold up on their own without a loco attached? In which case wouldn't it be easier to connect the brakes up to for the loco to release them than walk the train releasing each coach individually? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Yes but it depends how long the coach has been standing. Even the best air brakes will leak off eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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