Leaving poster identification out of quoted text

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

Since the pre-Christmas software update, the quote mechanism has altered so one no longer sees the tags. Now I have gone and quoted Larry Goddard, but in editing the quote to just the line I wished to reply to somehow wiped his identification off the posting. Is there some way of preventing such an accident?

[Miss Prism]

Toggling the edit mode will reveal who is being quoted, the post number and the time stamp. These can be reinstated in an old post by repeating the reply process.

[Kenton]

Since the pre-Christmas software update, the quote mechanism has altered so one no longer sees the tags. Now I have gone and quoted Larry Goddard, but in editing the quote to just the line I wished to reply to somehow wiped his identification off the posting. Is there some way of preventing such an accident?

This still appears to be a problem.

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Although the information is visible in the editor - it really should be visible to all who are simply reading the post. (including non-members/not logged-in members) as it is becoming very confusing just what is being replied to.

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It also seems to be messing up the email notifications.

[Ozexpatriate]

Since the pre-Christmas software update, the quote mechanism has altered so one no longer sees the tags.

I observe this only in the editable psuedo-preview mode (not using the "BBCode Mode" toggle). The references still appear for me in the final post.

  

This still appears to be a problem.

If you edit a quote (to redact parts of it for brevity) you can't then edit your section of the text without using the "BBCode Mode" toggle.

 

I've seen a number of posts where this has happened and people are posting their comments inside an edited "quoted post"

 

I am toggling back and forth a lot between edit modes.

 

There are a lot of weird behaviours with the addition of extra lines in quoted post fragments, and automatic extra line redaction in the edit field.

[Jim Martin]

If you edit a quote (to redact parts of it for brevity) you can't then edit your section of the text without using the "BBCode Mode" toggle.

 

I've seen a number of posts where this has happened and people are posting their comments inside an edited "quoted post"

 

Same thing's happened to me. You can get round it by typing your post first, then going into the quoted post and editing it down to the bit you actually wanted to quote, but it's a pain in the neck (especially if you then want to tweak your message). This is something that was definitely easier before.

 

Jim

[Kenton]

If you edit a quote (to redact parts of it for brevity) you can't then edit your section of the text without using the "BBCode Mode" toggle.

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I've seen a number of posts where this has happened and people are posting their comments inside an edited "quoted post"

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I am toggling back and forth a lot between edit modes.

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There are a lot of weird behaviors with the addition of extra lines in quoted post fragments, and automatic extra line redaction in the edit field.

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No idea what you are talking about - which even leads me to think that some actually are seeing a completely different view of RMWeb than others(me).

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The editor on Invision as been a pile of programmer's p@@ for several "upgrades" and failed to do its basic job. With the "Quick Reply to" editor always producing different results than the so called "Full Editor", but at least the "Quick Reply To" editor worked. But now they have tinkered with both of them and neither of them work consistently.

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A classic example of the programmers failing to understand what needs fixing and going off at a limb to break what is not already broken.

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Both "translation" routines for the posted text in both editors should should be the same code for a start. They obviously are not.

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It should not be left for the (often) non-computer-expert to have to figure out work a-rounds and obscure additional methodology to make the the stupid code actually to work.

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This is, after all, so-called professional software, for which a fee has been (is) paid.

[martin_wynne]

This is, after all, so-called professional software, for which a fee has been (is) paid.

 

Kenton, it's all working fine for me. Everything works as I expect it to.

 

Puzzled.

 

Martin.

[martin_wynne]

...as you can see...

 

 

And the image above uploaded and inserted just fine too.

 

IPB gets a lot of stick for the quality of the code, difficulty of maintenance, and the massive load it puts on the server -- but some bits of it do actually work quite well. This being one such bit.

 

Martin.

[Kenton]

Kenton, it's all working fine for me. Everything works as I expect it to.Puzzled.Martin.

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You are lucky as it appears from the other posts above that I am not alone.

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Specifically on the subject of quoted text - on your screen do you see

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or is the quoted author and time visible ?

[coachmann]

Since the pre-Christmas software update, the quote mechanism has altered so one no longer sees the tags. Now I have gone and quoted Larry Goddard, but in editing the quote to just the line I wished to reply to somehow wiped his identification off the posting. Is there some way of preventing such an accident?

 

 

You're probably having problems because Larry Goddard is the invisible man....

[Kenton]

This is using the "Quick Reply box at the bottom of the page

 

 

 

 

* with 5 line breaks inserted as white space before *

 

 

 

 

* and again - note no html additional code used to force line break/white space (work a-round)

 

 

 

* and before the same BBCoded image shown above

[Kenton]

See the bbcode image posting works fine, but all the white space line breaks are removed (even spaces at the start of a line)

 

 

This is what it looked like in the editor box

[coachmann]

This is using the "Quick Reply box at the bottom of the page * with 5 line breaks inserted as white space before * * and again - note no html additional code used to force line break/white space (work a-round) * and before the same BBCoded image shown above

Ask for an upgrade....

[Kenton]

And this is the same post but with the forced html work around white space added - note the html is not visible and has been correctly swapped out for hidden breaks in the translator - something which as you see above doesn't happen with the so-called Full Editor

 

This is using the "Quick Reply box at the bottom of the page

 

 

 

 

* with 5 line breaks inserted as white space before *

 

 

 

 

* and again - note no html additional code used to force line break/white space (work a-round)

 

 

 

 

* and before the same BBCoded image shown above

[martin_wynne]

Specifically on the subject of quoted text - on your screen do you see...

 

Hi Kenton,

 

I see this. It seems to be fine:

 

 

Martin.

 

Edit. p.s. the image in your post ( http://kenton-model-railway.co.uk/a/2013-01-15_110947.jpg ) took 5 minutes to arrive from your server.

[martin_wynne]

You're probably having problems because Larry Goddard is the invisible man....

 

Is that why he takes such good pictures?

[Kenton]

And this just to confirm that the Full Editor

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is not doing what it should (the same translator routines) as the quick reply

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Actually I think this is a potential security flaw.

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If I can post raw html (rather than BBCode) to a topic/database then goodness knows what could be posted by someone with intent to disrupt?

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[Ed] that was odd - so why didn't it do it above on post #6

[Kenton]

Oh dear another bug!

 

The Full Editor does work - But not if I "Reply Quoting this page" or "Edit" button - so something is corrupting the "Edit post" not the "full editor"

 

Whatever, something is wrong (using different routines to do the same job) that is making a mess of everything and introducing inconsistency.

 

(Note this is posted with the html work around in the Quick Reply)

[Kenton]

Edit. p.s. the image in your post ( http://kenton-model-railway.co.uk/a/2013-01-15_110947.jpg ) took 5 minutes to arrive from your server.

Martin

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Sorry about that - probably a transient thing as I had realised I had uploaded a very big file (so was in the process of reducing its size) in all the rush to post I forgot the rule about small image density. Should be much faster now.

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So it appears that you (and others) can see the quoted information about the origin, I (and others) cannot.

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Once again this "new feature" introduced in the last "upgrade" makes no sense. Surely the whole point of quoting is to be certain of who is being quoted.

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I also can't help wondering if this is related to the email notification problem where I am receiving notifications of replies "quoting" me where the reply contains someone else's quote.

[Kenton]

BTW - even weirder things happen in the PM messaging editor (which I guess is yet another translator routine)

[martin_wynne]

with the forced html work around white space added

 

Hi Kenton,

 

What is the "forced html work around white space added" ?

 

Are you using Internet Explorer? if so I don't have much sympathy.

 

On Templot Club forum I have two separate editors, one for IE only and one for all the proper browsers (Firefox, Chrome, etc.).

 

IE doesn't work properly in "design mode" (used for HTML editing, as here) and most of the editor routines include assorted kludges to get it to work at all.

 

This written in Firefox 18, and I can only repeat that everything is working just fine.

 

regards,

 

Martin.

[Kenton]

Martin the "forced work around should be visible in post #6 and others above, also in the image in #14 - it involves the need to enter the html line break code to force a whitespace paragraph break. - requires two of them.

 

There are some entered in the textbox in this post with the Quick Reply but they will not be visible to me or anyone once on the topic because they are translated out. Unlike on the Full edit.

 

Using Firefox 18 (was same on 17 and other previous versions) It has nothing to do with the browser as this has only ever been a problem since Invision (actually originally not even a problem on the first installed version) It probably dates from when they completely screwed up the blog area - but that is probably a different problem.

[martin_wynne]

 

Martin the "forced work around should be visible in post #6 and others above, also in the image in #14 - it involves the need to enter the html line break code to force a whitespace paragraph break. - requires two of them.

 

Hi Kenton,

 

But I'm not doing that. I can make blank new lines normally:

 

 

 

 

 

I've checked this topic in IE7, and the quote identifiers are indeed missing. Specifically, this code is not in the source:

<div class="post entry-content " itemprop="commentText"><p class="citation">Kenton, on 15 Jan 2013 - 11:35, said:<a class="snapback right" href="http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=913727" rel="citation"><img src="http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/public/style_images/master/snapback.png"></a></p>

So that counts as a bug in IPB (if they claim to support IE7). IE9 appears to be ok.

 

I have a feeling that the above code is being inserted in the source via Ajax or similar, after loading. Which would explain why you are not seeing it if you have scripting turned off.

 

I have now found a definite bug, so retract my previous statement that all is fine. Text placed inside [c o d e] tags gets moved outside the tags if you preview the post, leaving the tags empty.

 

Martin.

[martin_wynne]

... and the text was corrupted in the code block. This was the original...

 

<div class="post entry-content " itemprop="commentText"><p class="citation">Kenton, on 15 Jan 2013 - 11:35, said:<a class="snapback right" href="http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=913727" rel="citation"><img src="http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/public/style_images/master/snapback.png"></a></p>

 

(minus the link conversions, of course).

 

Martin.

[Kenton]

 

Hi Kenton,

 

But I'm not doing that. I can make blank new lines normally:

 

 

I know. But it doesn't any longer work for me - so if you can see all the html breaks in my posts like this one then it remains a problem for everyone. Also not being able to see these breaks does not get around the fact that I do need to insert them to prevent all white space being removed from the Quick Reply posts.

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Ajax is not part of the problem. Ajax is used by the site to fire off "Like/unlike" and that works fine. The problem with the Invision code is that it is not consistent. It reeks of poor programming policy in that different coded routines seem to be applied in different places through the site. Another perfect example of this is the coding of buttons and links. Some fail as they depend purely on javascript others have been correctly coded for both javascript and non-javascript. The "Follow/unfollow" is a perfect example. It used to work and then it stopped working. Another example is the "jump to last post" link it used to work and now is no longer visible - so of course doesn't work.