chaz Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Can anybody help me with references/links/info on the parcels trolleys of the type that can be seen in many pictures taken at Kings X and elsewhere in steam days.What I'm really after is either a dimensioned drawing or sketch or at least a good photo from which I could prepare a drawing myself. I want some 7mm models for my exhibition layout, Dock Green but haven't been able to find either a kit of a ready-made - sack barrows and 2 wheel carts, yes, but the 4 wheel trolley with castor wheels at one end to steer, no.Chaz edited to correct the arrangement of castor wheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Softvark Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Are you referring to the Brute trolleys? They have 4 wheels, with 2 pivotted, and were introduced in 1964 so would have been around in steam days. If so Peter Clark makes them in 7mm http://www.peterclarkkits.com/lineside-accessories.html Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 Are you referring to the Brute trolleys? They have 4 wheels, with 2 pivotted, and were introduced in 1964 so would have been around in steam days. If so Peter Clark makes them in 7mm http://www.peterclarkkits.com/lineside-accessories.html Julian Thanks for that Julian. Had a look at your link and no, not the Brutes. Unfortunately 1964 is out for me - steam disappeared on the ECML south of Peterboro' in 62, I believe. Pity, they look nice models. The trolleys I have in mind were largely wood, with a flat platform, an upright wooden frame at each end, fixed wheels at one end and castor type at the other. they were much older than the Brutes, you can see them in photos taken at Kings X in the thirties. The best picture I have found is on page 17 of Peter Coster's "Book of the Great Northern - Part 1". Although posting this would unfortunately infringe copyright. Chaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daifly Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 You might be able to modify the Springside GWR ones - item 63 http://www.springsidemodels.com/id16.htm Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 You might be able to modify the Springside GWR ones - item 63 http://www.springsidemodels.com/id16.htm Dave I might well Dave, and thanks for the link. Unfortunately there is no picture on that site, just a price list so it's impossible to judge. However I did find an image of a 4mm model of the GWR trolley which suggests too many differences to make conversion much quicker than scratchbuilding. The search for information continues...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 OK, this is the style of trolley.... A fair bit of work to scratchbuild a batch (I'd like at least half a dozen) but I will have a go if I can get a few dimensions.... Chaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daifly Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Since it appears that there aren't two the same, almost anything goes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 Since it appears that there aren't two the same, almost anything goes! Hmm, not sure that's quite right. All the trolleys in the picture look to be of broadly the same pattern. The two closest to the camera are probably presenting opposite ends - one has a towing bar, the other a hasp and pin -a train of them could be hooked together and towed, probably by a Lister tractor. Two of the trolleys have a plank on the side, the nearest one is a flatbed but this is a small difference which could easily be modelled on the same basic type. However someone on the LNER Encyclopaedia forum has posted me a copy of an LNER diagram for a platform trolley (just like a wagon diagram) which includes dimensions so a reasonably accurate model might well be possible. Chaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daifly Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 It may be my imagination, but some of the trolleys to the back of the photo look to be different heights too. Some appear to have 5 vertical struts and some only 4. Some have horizontal end-planks and some have none. Anything goes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 It may be my imagination, but some of the trolleys to the back of the photo look to be different heights too. Some appear to have 5 vertical struts and some only 4. Some have horizontal end-planks and some have none. Anything goes? Well, OK, but if I am going to the trouble of making some, and I don't seem to have the option of "RTR", then they might as well be an accurate model of at least one of these styles. Here's the diagram that I have acquired, very useful as it includes all the dimensions I will need... I should say that this is a different pattern to the ones in the photo at Kings X - being intended to be pushed by hand, rather than being towed by a tractor - but it will do nicely as a style for Dock Green. Chaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daifly Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 There are a number of LNER barrow diagram references in: http://www.nrm.org.uk/~/media/Files/NRM/PDF/archiveslists2012/railwaycompanyworks/LNER%20CW%20drawing%20list%20Doncaster%20Works.pdf Search using 'barrow' BTW good luck with the build! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted February 16, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2013 I have only just seen this thread but can confirm that the "Scotch" Barrow drawing is one of several similar ones that appear in the "London and North Eastern Railway diagrams of Passenger Barrows" book. There is the one given above, a "Small Scotch Barrow" for office work, a "Heavy Scotch barrow", and a "Heavy Scotch Barrow for Fish". The diagram you have is the nearest one to the photo but none of them are spot on. So that would suggest to me that the ones in the photo may not be of LNER origin but may date back to GNR days, hence the variations and differences between them and the LNER diagram. There are 17 diagrams in the book and in the copy I have, somebody has written on the full drawing reference numbers, which may be the ones on the NRM lists but I am struggling to search lists easily! It is a shame that there are only side and end elevations in the diagram book but combined with a good photo they should give enough details to build a reasonably accurate model and I wish you good luck with the venture! Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share Posted February 17, 2013 I have only just seen this thread but can confirm that the "Scotch" Barrow drawing is one of several similar ones that appear in the "London and North Eastern Railway diagrams of Passenger Barrows" book. There is the one given above, a "Small Scotch Barrow" for office work, a "Heavy Scotch barrow", and a "Heavy Scotch Barrow for Fish". The diagram you have is the nearest one to the photo but none of them are spot on. So that would suggest to me that the ones in the photo may not be of LNER origin but may date back to GNR days, hence the variations and differences between them and the LNER diagram. There are 17 diagrams in the book and in the copy I have, somebody has written on the full drawing reference numbers, which may be the ones on the NRM lists but I am struggling to search lists easily! It is a shame that there are only side and end elevations in the diagram book but combined with a good photo they should give enough details to build a reasonably accurate model and I wish you good luck with the venture! Tony Thanks Tony. As I want several barrows I am seeking to have a brass etch prepared. Scratchbuilding maybe ten barrows, even though they are a relatively simple design, is not really best use of my time.... Chaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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