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Those Kato Dash 9s are nice beasts. You can get an NS-style cab from Shapeways (the same guy who does the SD60E cab), but I keep looking at the one I have and thinking it is a lot of effort for not much gain. If you are going to run the Dash 9 as a second unit then the headlight position isn't that noticeable. Of the three I have I blanked off the headlight and put a cosmetic high-level on on one and completely ignored the headlights on the other two. At least they have the correct wide handrails, unlike the Fox Valley ES40DC (which also has the wrong headlights) and ES44ACs.

 

If you are goning to run it as a current unit it will need a frame stripe. The first two? batches came without any frame marks, but 8979 appears to have received frame stripes in 2008. It is otherwise still in the as-delivered livery:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3966512

 

As delivered:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=47736

 

Adrian

Thanks Adrian for the heads up.

 

They will get the white stripes when I get round to detailing and renumbering them. Main task at present is to get all NS locos fitted with Microtrians couplers and decoders  when I / my other half obtain them (I think she bought that dash 9) as that will reduce having to buy a load all at once when it comes to building the new layout. 

 

I reckon that I can modify the headlights postion and run some fiber optic through them towards the decoder LED as I have done on other locos. If not then an order will be on its way to Shapeways.

 

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Thanks Adrian for the heads up.

 

They will get the white stripes when I get round to detailing and renumbering them. Main task at present is to get all NS locos fitted with Microtrians couplers and decoders  when I / my other half obtain them (I think she bought that dash 9) as that will reduce having to buy a load all at once when it comes to building the new layout. 

 

I reckon that I can modify the headlights postion and run some fiber optic through them towards the decoder LED as I have done on other locos. If not then an order will be on its way to Shapeways.

 

Ian

 

Yes, on the one I modified I did leave the provision for feeding fibre optics through the light shroud and up to the headlights. The other issue with the Dash 9s is that they have low-mounted ditch lights rather than the high-mounted ones NS uses.

 

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Yes, on the one I modified I did leave the provision for feeding fibre optics through the light shroud and up to the headlights. The other issue with the Dash 9s is that they have low-mounted ditch lights rather than the high-mounted ones NS uses.

 

Adrian

Thats probably a little harder to alter!

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I've been having an expensive weekend. Here is the Arnold (Hornby International) U25C in Conrail. It was priced higher for the DC-only version than the Rapido GMD-1 which has a decoder in it. You will notice that the Conrail blue is a bit on the light side (compare to the Atlas GP15-1 behind it). Other than that and the underattached handrails that pop out of their mountings if you look at them wrong, it is very nice, with separate cut levers and MU hoses. It even has the correct PRR/PC/Conrail cab signal box on the walkway. It takes a six-pin decoder.

 

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While I suggested that the Conrail Blue above looked a bit light, compare the two photos of 6510 here http://crcyc.railfan.net/locos/ge/u25/u25c.html to see what difference lighting/age/film makes. The second shot is almost the same colour as the Arnold paint.

 

Edit. Apparently this scheme is only good from about June 1978 until December 1979. The loco was ex-PRR/PC, stencilled into CR by April 1978, painted into blue by June 1978 (from http://crcyc.railfan.net/locos/ge/u25/u25crepaint.html). It's number was re-used for an SD40-2 with a build date of November 1979.

 

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Decided to do a bit of work on the PRR fleet. Having found my collection of Gold Medal Models Trainphone antenna supports, I added Trainphones to the two Atlas GP9s that didn't already have them (equipped one in the background)

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and to my two Kato F7s

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I also started preparing an A-B-A set of Life-Like FM Erie-builts to get Trainphone antennas (A-units) and DGLE* paint to replace the garish KCS scheme

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*Dark Green Locomotive Enamel, a.k.a. Brunswick green. I find the Tamiya spray can of NATO Black works quite well for this, as it is a very dark green.

 

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*Dark Green Locomotive Enamel, a.k.a. Brunswick green. I find the Tamiya spray can of NATO Black works quite well for this, as it is a very dark green.

 

Adrian

 

I've yet to see a model in which the Pennsylvania brunswick green looked anything other than black, so you should be on safe ground, especially under typical layout lighting.

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I've yet to see a model in which the Pennsylvania brunswick green looked anything other than black, so you should be on safe ground, especially under typical layout lighting.

 

Most of the models (and prototype photos) show that it could look like anything between a dark green to black, depending on where and when it was painted and how faded it had gotten. The NATO Black is a very dark green and matches freshly-painted locos.

 

It looks significantly greener than my NS locos which get Tamiya Semi-Gloss Black.

 

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Having discovered that I didn't have any .010" brass wire, project trainphone couldn't continue until yesterday.

 

I have now added trainphones to a pair of Kato PA-1s, stripped and added trainphones to the Erie-builts (the Lifelike yellow stubbornly resisted the stripper, but Brunswick green will cover it) and added etched stirrups to a LifeLike FA-2

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I also found some old V-Line Baldwin RF-16 sharknose shells at a show ($2.50 each), so I decided to try and make a passenger shark, thinking I might be able to use an old Concor/Kato PA-1 chassis to power it. Then I looked up the dimensions and realized that they were much longer than I thought (80' over couplers) so a chassis might be problematic. Anyway, I did a cut-n-shut to give me something approximately the right size. It does need a lot of detail changes, especially on the roof (and the vents, panels, windshield profile...).

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And now for a bit of modern(ish) Amtrak, since I just got hold of an Acela set.

 

Bachmann HHP-8, Bachmann Acela, two Kato P42s. Except for the Acela coaches and the Amfleet I on the right (which are Bachmann), the coaches are Kato Amfleet IIs and Viewliners (Edit: I just realized that none of the Viewliners are in shot).

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A better look at the detail on the HHP-8 and Acela. The basic Acela train set comes with two locos (un-powered, but with function decoders for the lights), a First-Class car, a Business car, and a Café (which has the motor and decoder). I need to find two more Business cars and an End Business car to make up a prototypical consist.

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When the Acela set came out there was quite bit of chat on the forums as to the minimum radius it could cope with, which seemed to be quite large for N scale. What's your finding?

I only just got it so it hasn't had a full test. The set comes with 19" radius track, though. Mark (Spookshow) suggests that 19" is a bit on the tight side. http://www.spookshow.net/loco/bachmannacela.html

 

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I can confirm that the Acela is relatively happy (at its current length of 2+3) on the outside track of the new Kato banked Unitrack double track curves (187/8"/175/8"). It's slow-speed operation is horrible, though. This may be because it needs running in.

 

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It's been a while since my last post here. My PRR transition fleet has grown by two of the Bachmann K4 pacifics (very nice locos), a Broadway Limited Baldwin Centipede A-A set (in the 5-stripe passenger scheme), and a pair of Broadway Limited M1b 4-8-2s (superb locos).

 

K4: http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=265_372_1019

Centipede: http://www.broadway-limited.com/3140prra-aset5830a15830a2brunswickgreengoldleaflettering5-stripepassengerschemebothunitswparagon2sounddcdccnscale.aspx

M1b: http://www.broadway-limited.com/005prrm1b4-8-26704paragon2sounddcdccnscale.aspx

 

The most recent exercise has been fettling a set (actually 3 sets) of Deluxe Innovations Roadrailers. These are quite nice models but the stubbornly refused to run well except in a straight line. Investigation revealed that the truck bolster, as designed, would rub on the wheel flanges when the truck was turned, Fortunately, this can be corrected with the judicious use of a modelling knife, but it is a tedious process when you have 31 Roadrailers to do. This fixes most of the problem, but the last thing is the Couplermate truck (which connects the Roadrailers to the loco) which appears to have almost no truck swing by design. I'm still considering how to deal with this.

 

For a picture of a Deluxe Roadrailer, look at the second post here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/60859-n-scale-intermodal/

I also updated this thread with descriptions of some new items.

 

Also, to update the comments on the Acela above, it is relatively happy on 15" curves. Relatively only because the power car is underpowered so you do notice a slowing on the curves.

 

Adrian

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Doing a bit of load testing with some big Pennsy power. The load was thirty 40' reefers plus a cabin.

 

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The M1s (at the back) had no problem.

 

One of the K4s (third row) was a little light-footed while the other had no problem.

 

The Y3 had no problem while the USRA 2-10-2 slipped a bit (it has no traction tires).

 

The Baldwin Centipede pair (which, to be fair, hasn't been properly run in) acted like the prototypes, constantly re-starting. They were the only ones that couldn't complete a lap without stalling.

 

I need to turn the volume down on the sound locos (all but the Y3 and 2-10-2 have sound).

 

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Further investigation reveals that the decoder on one of the Centipedes is shutting down the motor after 6-12" of running. The sound continues to play. Forcing a reset of the sound by jiggling the loco on the track restarts the motor too - for another 6-12" of running. The drivetrain is free and there is nothing obvious that would be causing this. Possibly a duff motor. Broadway Limited has been contacted.

 

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Further investigation reveals that the decoder on one of the Centipedes is shutting down the motor after 6-12" of running. The sound continues to play. Forcing a reset of the sound by jiggling the loco on the track restarts the motor too - for another 6-12" of running. The drivetrain is free and there is nothing obvious that would be causing this. Possibly a duff motor. Broadway Limited has been contacted.

 

Adrian

 

I like the look of their models, and the sound is great, but of the three BLI locomotives I've purchased, only one has operated satisfactorily from the outset. One has been back to America for a circuit board replacement, while another stalls repeatedly on track that its identical counterpart sails over. 

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Just received a new decoder from Broadway Limited. Both Centipedes are now running well. It appears that the motor drive on the one decoder was defective.

 

Now I have to save my pennies (or dollars) for a CN Turbo from Rapido. For a nine car set (without sound) it will be about $C 650 (plus 13% tax). I already have an FPA-4/FPB-4 set on order from them (also in CN) so my CN (and VIA transition) fleet is being a bit expensive at the moment, however these are the trains I remember seeing in my youth. I grew up within walking distance of the CN main line between Toronto and Montreal/Ottawa so I got to see a lot of CN (and then VIA) passenger trains. High school was interesting since the classroom windows at the front of the school provided a great view of the line.

 

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I have also added some commentary on the MicroTrains and Scale Trains  53' containers in the Intermodal topic (linked here because it really should never have been moved)

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/60859-n-scale-intermodal/

 

Scale Trains has announced GEVO ET44 locos (the Tier 4 compliant version of the ES44) for those who want to be right up to date.

https://www.scaletrains.com/collections/rivet-counter-n-scale-ge-tier-4-gevo-diesel-locomotive

 

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