James Harrison Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I'm working on a rake of GC corridor stock of 1911/1912 design and though I've found numbers for all firsts, all thirds and composites I am struggling somewhat with numbers for brake thirds. I don't know the specific carriage diagram but reading 'J G Robinson, A Lifetime's Work' there are a couple of interesting illustrations showing exactly the sort of carriage I am modelling... a five compartment corridor brake third, one built in 1911 and a further six in 1912 and marked up on the GC train diagrams as being for Barry- Newcastle services. If anyone knows a source for GC carriage numbers it would be a great help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Harrison Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share Posted April 1, 2013 I've found a photograph of one in Volume 3 of George Dow's Great Central- #686 (thus LNER 5686). Now I just need a second carriage number. Is there a book available for GC rolling stock at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 There were a number of articles in old issues of the HMRS Journal which covered a lot of what you're after. Vol 4, no 12 included LDECR coaches, coaching stock 1903-1907 and Parker stock; vol 5, no 7 covered coaches between 1910 and 1923. All were written by W.A. Richards. No 686 was diagram 5A15, built 1911 with 5 six-foot compartments and a "right hand" brake compartment (I think this means that the brake end is on the right as viewed from the corridor side, but I might have got that the wrong way round). Other coaches to the same diagram were 677 and 684. Between 1911 and 1916 the GCR built 19 corridor brake thirds to 8 different diagrams (5A11-18), differentiated by number of compartments (5 or 6), length (60' or 56' for Bournemouth services), handedness and whether fitted with Robinson's "armoured ends". Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Harrison Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share Posted April 1, 2013 That's great info, thanks! I'll get hunting down those journals too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 a "right hand" brake compartment (I think this means that the brake end is on the right as viewed from the corridor side, but I might have got that the wrong way round You have the terminology correct. The handing is as viewed from the corridor side and is the end with the brake/van (for brake coaches) or the first-class section (for compos). Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 The GC five compartment brakes were: Diagram built hand numbers 5A11 1914 L 1478 5A12 1915 L 98 Armoured 5A15 1911 R 677/84/86 5A16 1913/4 L 196,453/62/96,594,676 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Harrison Posted April 2, 2013 Author Share Posted April 2, 2013 That's really useful info, thanks Bill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Harrison Posted April 3, 2013 Author Share Posted April 3, 2013 Thanks to everybody who helped me out with carriage numbers- I'm pleased to say the carriage is finished... I bashed it out of an ex-Mainline LMS 57' brake... it's not 100% right (lacking a few windows at the brake end, a few feet too short), but it's fairly convincing I reckon, in the same vein that the old Hornby teaks were good after a fashion. Certainly it looks the part paired up with the all-first I bashed out of an LMS composite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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