allan downes Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 Start of wifey's church. The tower. Going to have to do something with the facing on those piers - don't like 'em - might even scrap 'em, like you do. Cheers. Allan. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium The White Rabbit Posted October 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2015 I like your windows. Scalelink? I see what you mean about the corners on the buttresses. I tend to make the wall courses follow round the corner by using the same sheet though I appreciate this is expensive. It's also time-consuming as I use some filler & carve return courses into each join/corner edge. One possible quick(ish!) fix, could you touch in the 'raw' edges with Humbrol stone darkened with some matt black, then paint in some mortar courses with pale stone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 Right. That's scrapped. It's in the bin. Start again. Here's what we're trying to replicate, one I built way back. Just gotta remember how... Cheers. Allan. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 I like your windows. Scalelink? I see what you mean about the corners on the buttresses. I tend to make the wall courses follow round the corner by using the same sheet though I appreciate this is expensive. It's also time-consuming as I use some filler & carve return courses into each join/corner edge. One possible quick(ish!) fix, could you touch in the 'raw' edges with Humbrol stone darkened with some matt black, then paint in some mortar courses with pale stone? Not Scalink, cut out of 20thou styrene. Cheers. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium The White Rabbit Posted October 8, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2015 Well, I like 'em. I have a small church lined up to scratchbuild next and have been mulling about the windows & surrounds. I'll probably build Norman rather than Gothic, but always keen to pick up tips... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share Posted October 10, 2015 Church tower rebuild. 'S gettin' borin' now... Cheers. Allan. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullie Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Looks really good and almost ready for take off! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium The White Rabbit Posted October 10, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2015 Thunderbirds are go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullie Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Off into space searching for................. Family bathrooms! Viewable by satellite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 New church tower almost finished, just the capping stones to do up there on the battlements No prizes for guessing what the finials are ! Cheers. Allan 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweven Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Not content with just being a master model maker, I see you have mastered the camera and the weather - superb photographs. Cheers John P.S. Because of what you used for the finials I expect fittings are falling off the family bathroom wall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 Church test fit. Now't does ! Cheers. Allan 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 The set up. More bloody tiling... Cheers. Allan 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) Allan, a word of advice if I may...... I am having a play with fire cement on a couple of 7mm buildings, and I hear rumour that over time it crumbles away to n'owt..... Does this echo your experience, or is the modern stuff pretty good? On the end wall I did get some structural damage due to surface contraction - so (apart from plenty of internal reinforcement) I am 'countering' to use enamelling vernacular. I am applying fire clay on the inside surface as well, to balance it. The dodgy bit is that these walls are two thicknesses thick, so there is the possibility that this will simply separate the two..... We'll see. If that should prove to be the case, then the way to build will be countering a single thickness. However, on the bright side, I am getting the result I wanted, with plenty of surface interest, and a nice porous surface. The natural colour is good too, so experimentation with staining etc. Is called for. Quoins will be added later! Edited October 14, 2015 by Giles 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 Allan, a word of advice if I may...... I am having a play with fire cement on a couple of 7mm buildings, and I hear rumour that over time it crumbles away to n'owt..... Does this echo your experience, or is the modern stuff pretty good? On the end wall I did get some structural damage due to surface contraction - so (apart from plenty of internal reinforcement) I am 'countering' to use enamelling vernacular. I am applying fire clay on the inside surface as well, to balance it. The dodgy bit is that these walls are two thicknesses thick, so there is the possibility that this will simply separate the two..... We'll see. If that should prove to be the case, then the way to build will be countering a single thickness. However, on the bright side, I am getting the result I wanted, with plenty of surface interest, and a nice porous surface. The natural colour is good too, so experimentation with staining etc. Is called for. Quoins will be added later! Hi Giles. To be quite honest, I don't use firecement anymore for the very reasons you mentioned - it can, and probably will, disintregate in time and when I built Tintagel Post Office I did so just for old times sake so as to speak but, these days I use any commercial plastic based product and namely Wills stone sheets. However, I built a layout for Peco entirely out of fire cement over 35 years ago and they've still got it ! - but it is kept in a controlled environment which makes all the difference. Fire cement, which hasn't changed in it's formula over the years, just does not like damp conditions and that's why I stopped using it commercially. Hope this helps. Cheers. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Thanks Allan...... Oh bu***er..... It does such a nice job too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trains12 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Hi Giles Sorry Alan if I'm pinching your thread but I thought you might like to see this model of the inn that is used on Great Tunsley Dale layout. It was originally built in 1989 for a small to be exhibition layout which was not finished. It was then used on the exhibition layout Buxworth Sidings in 1992 and finally reused here in north Wales on GTD in 2007. It is made from a balsa wood frame then coated in pva and allowed to dry and finally covered in Keen fire cement. Todate it is 26 years old and is still as sound as when it was first made. The only thing that I have done to it is repaint it when it was installed on GTD. There has never been any deterioration in the fire cement. .As far as I am aware Keen is no longer available so for many of my later models I have been using Daz. Hope this is of some use. Peter PS The coating I put on was about 3mm thick. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 Possibly Keen's fire cement was of a better quality than what I used back then but yes, I have seen models built out of fire cement that have stood the test of tme ( a good 20 years, even more ) and here is an example albeit the colouring has faded. These models I believe are also at Peco. BTW Peter, post as many pictures as you like. That's what forums are all about. Just don't tell Robinson ! Cheers. Allan. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullie Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Possibly Keen's fire cement was of a better quality than what I used back then but yes, I have seen models built out of fire cement that have stood the test of tme ( a good 20 years, even more ) and here is an example albeit the colouring has faded. These models I believe are also at Peco. BTW Peter, post as many pictures as you like. That's what forums are all about. Just don't tell Robinson ! Cheers. Allan. 1427_231354_270000000.jpg1427_231350_350000000.jpg1427_231352_220000000.jpg1427_231355_310000000.jpg1427_231356_450000000.jpg Seen these many times and they still look good. Pecorama was a day out my daughters used to really enjoy though they have probably grown out of it now. Strangely enough we often spent my birthday there! My 50th birthday was spent on Beer beach, a lovely place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) Lovely stuff, Allan - this is all very useful. I shall carry on with plan A, as I very much like the effect, and if I have to re-do it in 20 years then so be it! I also love the ability to do things like create cills and things so easily by adding and carving the fire cement. Edited October 14, 2015 by Giles 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 Progress today. Still loads to do, like grave stones for example ! Cheers. Allan. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullie Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Great church, not sure about the back scene! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted October 15, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 15, 2015 Allan Looking Fab! I may have missed this - but waht scale is this, 7mm? Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 Allan Looking Fab! I may have missed this - but waht scale is this, 7mm? Tony 7mm Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 Here's the church finished though I might fit a hipped roof above the entrance bit - like, ennit. Now it's all grave yard, graves and tombs, lych gate, walls, grass, plants.... Se y'all in about a week. Cheers. Allan. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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