Anthony Ashley Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 Jamie and all, Any additional photos you can provide of the viaduct would be appreciated. I shall have a think about the book. It looks to be good value and certainly your description lends me towards getting it. I shall repost a reply over the next day or so. Your interest and asssitance is appreciated I worked on the layout with Ross last night and we completed the plaster work in the gully on hte mountain. A few pictures are below. I need to add an additional rock section where there is a single rock outcrop on the last photo above. Once this is done I shall paint the plaster and see what it looks like. Regards, Anthony Ashley 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) On 10/02/2020 at 23:13, BernardTPM said: Beware, Jamie, it's illegal to operate a drone within a certain distance of a railway line. Hi BernardTPM Yes, I am aware of the new UK Drone Regulations BernardTPM since the Start of December 01st, 2019 new lawes stepped in (the last Drone flight by everyone and anyone was November 30th, 2019) and I have two Drones, both are registered with the CAA (Civil Aviation Authority), have the Fly ID Clearly marked on both Drones and I have passed all the necessary test and year payments to be qualifies to both Own a Drone and to Fly a Drone. I was actually looking at this very subject last night and Mapping it out and planning how to do it and where was the safest to launch my Drone from, as all that now as to be taken into account (crazy, cant even fly that as a hobby no more) ) it would have to be a low tide, to send it up and take the footage over the sea, it's illegal to cross the Railway Lines and the Car Carriageway or within 150m / 50m if not in built up are's, hence the Beach is best, and out to sea for that one shot of the whole Viaduct. I will try to photo what I can using my camera's first and Zoom Lenses then if I'm not happy with the photos up-close, (Which I don't need the drone for), the Drones will be last resort but its a valid option I can use and if anything would only be for a long distance shot to capture the Whole Viaduct in one picture, so I'd have to be 50m minimum away for that or even 150m away to capture that footage, but over the sea shouldn't be any issue, as my Hand Camera (DLSR and 300mm lens) will do all the close up work for the world of Modelling photo usage I need them for, just like the Footbridge footage earlier in the Thread. But Thanks you for the reminder, it better than I fine now or Prison. Regards Jamie Edited February 12, 2020 by 7APT7 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 I'm glad you are more than just aware of the situation, Jamie. I suspect there are many who aren't, so hopefully bringing it up could stop someone without the appropriate licences from unwittingly getting themselves into trouble. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, BernardTPM said: I'm glad you are more than just aware of the situation, Jamie. I suspect there are many who aren't, so hopefully bringing it up could stop someone without the appropriate licences from unwittingly getting themselves into trouble. Hi BernardTPM I can't even sell any photos I take with the drone now, all is in the exam, so no one can say they didn't know, for whose that are qualified, and if I make money from any drone footage in form of Stills (Photo's) or Video imagery of Filming now, I would also need a Valid Commercial ID to do so, that would be another cost and another exam to sit. I do think it will stop the idiots that fly at Heathrow Airport and Gatewick Airports etc although that is debatable about the whole situation personally and at night to... Hmmm impossible to fly a drone at night in my eyes... I think it was all huge hoax and setup to make it legislation laws come in to affect and in the process made it now harder to Own one, and Use one and unless you do it for a business, in which case all the above ID's apply, it comes down to common sense at the end of the day... as soon as I hear, yet alone see a Police helicopter or Air Ambulance helicopter the drone is down till its safe to take it back up and the helicopter is out of hearing noise and site, a bit like all railway enthusiasts, they ain't there to steel cables etc off the railway which I sometime feel that how we are seen and portrayed as... I was pulled up at Wolverhampton station by Transport police back of last year. They are knocking the old Platform ONE down, as a New Tram station is being built just outside the main railway station so they are totally modernising Platform One and to incorporate the Tram station out the front of the Entrance as the Tram will to go onto Birmingham New Street, so I have been taking photo's of the station, as memories as how I remembered it as a child until now before its gone forever. The Transport Police wanted to view my camera contents, lucky for me I had nothing to fear as I knew what I had taken Photo's of... at the time I was taking Photo's of Typical Close-Ups photos for modelling purposes and all of what was on Platform One (as I hate people in my photos, even family at the best of times) once I said why I was talking the photo's, after he viewed the camera contents and I had already reported in at Virgin Reception Desk which he was unaware of that the Virgin Reception Desk knew what I was doing and why I am taking Photo's etc... and Reception Desk always stress every time I ask, not to take photos of any people, unless they with you as family members or are friends in your group, but luckily each time I have been over the last 12 months of taking photo on/off when I visit family of the progress of the changes of the Platform which is slowly taking place, I have spoken to the same Virgin Manager at the Reception Desk each time I have been there (Building up a reputation with staff is KEY) and she as got to know me and we have good banter together each time I see her now, she even says are you down from North Wales visiting your family.... that's how much she now knows me..., and she fully backed me up what I was doing and why to the Transport Police. (Bless her) The Transport Police then said, oh OK, sorry for troubling you and then he said, (and this is what got me...) He says the best views to take your photos is from the top level on the Multi story car park,,,,, I was like ...Eh... that's funny, as up until that point, I didn't have one person in any of my photo's as I was told not to by the Virgin Staff and the Virgin staff tell me every time I ask (It's like I can ever lip sync word for word what they are about to say to me, like it's some kind of script they are referring to every time I've asked) yet when I looked down from the top level of the car park, You can catch anywhere and everyone from the roof top... It's Crazy... (The laws an Ass as they say) it flipping confusing... it's OK, It's not OK... make up your mind... it's one or the other... TOTALLY NUTS...! It all comes back to Common sense personally. But I really don't mind being asked ever, because I know I have nothing to hide and an answer for why I am doing what I am doing for and is always for personal use ONLY (Gosh... Don't say your selling the photos for heaven sake, which I took away from the drone exam and needing a Valid Commercial ID Licence next...lol), I know they are doing there job and security duties and that's what I like to see the Transport Police doing... I would be more worried if they failed to ask what I am doing, personally. I have even had plain cloths officers show me there badge and ask me what I am doing in the passed to, and I always Thank them for asking me, as I am grateful that we do have surveillance and security in place whether we are aware of it or not, for that... I take my hat off to everyone of them... Truly...! (as much as it can be an irritant to have to be asked... lol hahah) Regards Jamie Edited February 12, 2020 by 7APT7 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 22 hours ago, Anthony Ashley said: Jamie and all, Any additional photos you can provide of the viaduct would be appreciated. I shall have a think about the book. It looks to be good value and certainly your description lends me towards getting it. I shall repost a reply over the next day or so. Your interest and asssitance is appreciated I worked on the layout with Ross last night and we completed the plaster work in the gully on hte mountain. A few pictures are below. I need to add an additional rock section where there is a single rock outcrop on the last photo above. Once this is done I shall paint the plaster and see what it looks like. Regards, Anthony Ashley Hi Anthony (and Ross) A good job done and it will look the bizz once you have it all flocked... Love to see the step by step photos, it helps ones less confidant to see how it is done and can only ever be a good thing to see your progress. So are they rocks that are just pushed into a wet, still setting plaster of some type...? Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Hi Anthony Do you want the Signal Box at Penmaenmawr Station, the windows are all boarded up now, but it's still standing and is ail the original Signal Box...? If you want me to up load those as the next batch of Photo's...? Just say... We have had a bit of snow after the storm and heavy rain over the weekend and into Monday but other than that all good now, apart from the snow on the higher grounds but at road level all is clear to drive. Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Ashley Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) Jamie, I am very excited about your proposed viaduct "recon". It sounds as though it should produce some amazing photos. I look forward to seeing the results if you are able to conduct the activity. I would be very happy to see any photos of the signal boxes at any of the stations I am modelling. Bernard sounds that you are offering very sage advice, but Jamie seems to be all over the issue. It always pays to double check these issues and your assistance is appreciated. We certainly want no-one to get into trouble. Jamie you sound very experienced in this area. Telling the staff what you are doing in advance is a very sensible precaution. I imagine that taking photos in Britain of rail infrastructure is construed dimly given the current risk of terrorism and associated attacks. It is an unfortunate outcome of our society that personal liberties need to be legitimately restricted for safety and the common good. Really very understandable but quite frustrating for persons who are trying to conduct a harmless hobby. I guess creating a balance here is the important issue. On a slightly different topic I am due to come to North Wales on holiday in Sep of this year and am really looking forward to the trip. Sarah organised the holiday last year and it is up to me this year. Some planning will be required. I am looking at Conwy, Penmaenmdimly and Bangor as a must with perhaps a heritage rail trip thrown in. I shall be continuing the gully area with some washes and also the rail viaduct with heavy stone on the piers. There are 13 to do!!! 3 completed so far and another 5 cut. Regards, Anthony Ashley Edited February 12, 2020 by Anthony Ashley 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Jamie ”I do think it will stop the idiots that fly at Heathrow Airport and Gatewick Airports” Trouble is that rules and regulations only modify the behaviour of people who care. It won’t stop the irresponsible and it won’t stop the criminals. The best we can hope for is that it dissuades the over-enthusiastic amateurs and those that haven’t thought through the potential consequences of their actions. Anthony, if your UK travels bring you to the South East, and you have time for a beer or a bite, do let me know! atb Simon 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbridge Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 9 hours ago, 7APT7 said: Hi BernardTPM I can't even sell any photos I take with the drone now, all is in the exam, so no one can say they didn't know, for whose that are qualified, and if I make money from any drone footage in form of Stills (Photo's) or Video imagery of Filming now, I would also need a Valid Commercial ID to do so, that would be another cost and another exam to sit. I do think it will stop the idiots that fly at Heathrow Airport and Gatewick Airports etc although that is debatable about the whole situation personally and at night to... Hmmm impossible to fly a drone at night in my eyes... I think it was all huge hoax and setup to make it legislation laws come in to affect and in the process made it now harder to Own one, and Use one and unless you do it for a business, in which case all the above ID's apply, it comes down to common sense at the end of the day... as soon as I hear, yet alone see a Police helicopter or Air Ambulance helicopter the drone is down till its safe to take it back up and the helicopter is out of hearing noise and site, a bit like all railway enthusiasts, they ain't there to steel cables etc off the railway which I sometime feel that how we are seen and portrayed as... I was pulled up at Wolverhampton station by Transport police back of last year. They are knocking the old Platform ONE down, as a New Tram station is being built just outside the main railway station so they are totally modernising Platform One and to incorporate the Tram station out the front of the Entrance as the Tram will to go onto Birmingham New Street, so I have been taking photo's of the station, as memories as how I remembered it as a child until now before its gone forever. The Transport Police wanted to view my camera contents, lucky for me I had nothing to fear as I knew what I had taken Photo's of... at the time I was taking Photo's of Typical Close-Ups photos for modelling purposes and all of what was on Platform One (as I hate people in my photos, even family at the best of times) once I said why I was talking the photo's, after he viewed the camera contents and I had already reported in at Virgin Reception Desk which he was unaware of that the Virgin Reception Desk knew what I was doing and why I am taking Photo's etc... and Reception Desk always stress every time I ask, not to take photos of any people, unless they with you as family members or are friends in your group, but luckily each time I have been over the last 12 months of taking photo on/off when I visit family of the progress of the changes of the Platform which is slowly taking place, I have spoken to the same Virgin Manager at the Reception Desk each time I have been there (Building up a reputation with staff is KEY) and she as got to know me and we have good banter together each time I see her now, she even says are you down from North Wales visiting your family.... that's how much she now knows me..., and she fully backed me up what I was doing and why to the Transport Police. (Bless her) The Transport Police then said, oh OK, sorry for troubling you and then he said, (and this is what got me...) He says the best views to take your photos is from the top level on the Multi story car park,,,,, I was like ...Eh... that's funny, as up until that point, I didn't have one person in any of my photo's as I was told not to by the Virgin Staff and the Virgin staff tell me every time I ask (It's like I can ever lip sync word for word what they are about to say to me, like it's some kind of script they are referring to every time I've asked) yet when I looked down from the top level of the car park, You can catch anywhere and everyone from the roof top... It's Crazy... (The laws an Ass as they say) it flipping confusing... it's OK, It's not OK... make up your mind... it's one or the other... TOTALLY NUTS...! It all comes back to Common sense personally. But I really don't mind being asked ever, because I know I have nothing to hide and an answer for why I am doing what I am doing for and is always for personal use ONLY (Gosh... Don't say your selling the photos for heaven sake, which I took away from the drone exam and needing a Valid Commercial ID Licence next...lol), I know they are doing there job and security duties and that's what I like to see the Transport Police doing... I would be more worried if they failed to ask what I am doing, personally. I have even had plain cloths officers show me there badge and ask me what I am doing in the passed to, and I always Thank them for asking me, as I am grateful that we do have surveillance and security in place whether we are aware of it or not, for that... I take my hat off to everyone of them... Truly...! (as much as it can be an irritant to have to be asked... lol hahah) Regards Jamie It certainly was not a hoax at Gatwick. A girl I know works at the airport. 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Anthony Ashley Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 Dear All, I think the bottom line is that the use of Drones for photographic purposes to enhance a hobby and gather intelligence for modelling purposes is a fantastic vehicle. I agree entirely with Simon that those responsible member of our modelling fraternity would no doubt do the right thing, and it is a minority for whom most laws need to be made to enforce a penalty on persons who would take advantage and cause mischief. Unfortunately in the current environment those laws may impact on the majority to impose restrictions and limitations, but that is generally for a common good in terms of safety and/or security. Times have unfortunately become more dangerous!! The bottom line is that if Jamie is able to gather some shots lawfully I am very happy to incorporate them into my modelling. As he said he is aware of the current restrictions and I am sure will comply with them. Simon, Thanks for the offer. I shall contact you closer to the time and see if we can make a time. My wife and I would love to see you, given your very valuable contribution to the blog you have made over many years Regards, Anthony Ashley 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 13 hours ago, Simond said: Trouble is that rules and regulations only modify the behaviour of people who care. It won’t stop the irresponsible and it won’t stop the criminals. The best we can hope for is that it dissuades the over-enthusiastic amateurs and those that haven’t thought through the potential consequences of their actions. Hi Simon Yes, I am with you on that first part... lol Second part reminded me of few of the questions in the exam, regards Police/Air Ambulance Helicopter or other much larger People carrying planes is flying in the direction of your drone, What would you do....? The Options were something like.... A. Quickly fly you drone out of the way of the Helicopter and land quickly and as safely as possible. B. Fly towards the Helicopter so that the pilot can see your a drown. C. Attempt to gain the attention of the Air Ambulance to warn that you have a drone, by throwing a brick at it. My own thoughts process, while reading the answer's... A. Quickly fly you drown out of the way of the Helicopter and land quickly and as safely as possible. (... oh, Yeah, well that's what I would do if it was me, and seems to be a safe option, but wait.... lets see if there is a better answer...) B. Fly towards the Helicopter so that the pilot can see your a drown. (I was... like.... What the Flip... man... why would that ever enter your head... surely you get out the way... haha started smiling, and though, lets if it's A or C as they can't have two stupid answers in the one question...) C. Attempt to gain the attention of the Air Ambulance to warn that you have a drone, by throwing a brick at it. (I was like... noooo.... Why.... NO... BUT WHY...! I thought B was the funniest answer till I read C, then I was... oh yeah, that's a brilliant idea, I will have to remember that one, the next time I fly.... now when I do fly, it just brings a smirk to my face every time I hear an Helicopter in the distance, half of me thing quick... down it as quick as I can... (which I always do) but NOW... there's some apart of me that thinks, I wonder if some else, in this same predicament is now looking for half end'er or house brick to lob at the plane when it passes over.... I have to laugh out loud every time, it just the answer that sticks now for my sense of humour...) In Summery... Both B and C just made me laugh so much, I was ... like... well B. I was thinking, but that's what some Plane Pilots have reported in recent years about near misses of drones to near to the Airport coming in to land, which is why we have the mess we are in now, with clamping down... lol (Like you said Simon, over-enthusiastic amateurs and those that haven’t thought through the potential consequences of their actions) totally agree, but then parents can also be to blame, they buy these type of gadgets because our little Johnny will love it and and all little Johnny wants to do is open it up, go out side and fly it, without any thoughts whatsoever, and the parents are they backing them up showing them how to fly it. C. Just seems like what happened with the Heathrow Airport incident.... why would you... I thought I wonder if they have put these questions in the exam based on Real Police Interviews Questioning some suspect... and if so, is that what the suspect said... and if not... well if they didn't have the idea before, they certainly have the Idea now.... Crazy... Still say Common Sense with everything from Drones to Health & Safety... Trouble is today, we have kids leaving school without any Common Sense because... oh no one as ever told us, we can't...or what the danger are if we do... The Crazy world we now live in... Regards Jamie PS Sorry Anthony for throwing it off topic... didn't intend to... I do apologises. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 17 hours ago, Anthony Ashley said: I am very excited about your proposed viaduct "recon". It sounds as though it should produce some amazing photos. I look forward to seeing the results if you are able to conduct the activity. I would be very happy to see any photos of the signal boxes at any of the stations I am modelling. Hi Anthony I will not promise at this point but it is an option and like I said it would be to get the whole Viaducts in one picture. I will drain my other avenues first and us my camera over two day probably 3, if I use my drone, I plan to,,, Day One, to take what I can from where the Front Cover Book of the Viaduct was taken from and using my 300mm Zoom to see what I get from that view point. Day Two, Down on the beach and my higher Mega Pixel Camera for all the close-ups of the Modelling type photo's I like to take from the First Arch to the Last... just in case there are differences between each arch and I say that more so on the foundation rocks, the Viaduct is sitting on.... after looking at the photo you uploaded with the dog in the photo. Maybe in Summer and longer nights I will try the Drone for that one shot or two.... ok... 24, Stop.... round it off... 100... lol I can hear my brother say... Jay... you didn't take a photo of the graffiti... Oh I will if there is, Trust me... lol Your coming over in September 2020, NICE... I would love to meet you if possible... WHHR Book shop in Porthmadog is a well worth a visit and ride the short Narrow Gauge Railway... PM nearer the time of where you are staying and I'll pop over as you are right on my door step... it would be a shame not to see you in person. Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 12 hours ago, Denbridge said: It certainly was not a hoax at Gatwick. A girl I know works at the airport. They saw the drone several times. Hi Denbridge Gatewick maybe but Heathrow on the 4 occasions. The Police twice few days later admitted and said that they were wrong and there was no drones sited, it was all hear say, like most things, people will believe any source that is not always factual and proven... and on the third attempt, 10 days later, the Police said we can't even be sure if it was one of our Done's looking for the other Drone in the process in the dark and therefore may have got cross lines in the communication of. That's the only reasons I think it was in some way a setup... for regulating it but I could be wrong, 'it not unusual' as Tom Jones says... lol I've have however tried flying the drone in the dark, after that event to see how possible the likely hood is to see and fly in the dark... you may hear the drone but after so far up it becomes invisible and the sound fades totally then you have to rely on the on board camera to see what the drown is looking at, and in order to point it in the direction you want it to travel to and with only 2MP Camera, I had difficulty seeing the street lights in the distance... I mean I know I live in the middle of nowhere and lighting is always an issue at night but for Astronomy its brilliant.... lol Interesting anyway... Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 18 hours ago, Anthony Ashley said: Jamie you sound very experienced in this area. Telling the staff what you are doing in advance is a very sensible precaution. Tell me about Anthony, I take it that in Brisbane you are free to take photos, but here in the UK, the bigger the station then even more so, I would say to ask first as the risks are higher for like you say, terrorist etc..., and can't be to sure today, which like I said earlier I thank the plain cloths police for when they have asking me what I am doing taking photos, I'm glad they are doing there job and that there are always someone else watching you and not just Uniformed Police or Security/CCTV etc... The Smaller stations in Wales that I know of, well in the North of Wales, I can say there doesn't seem the risk and seems more OK to take your photos. I feel it just covers you more than anything.... and building up a relationship with staff over time and Transport Police to, and security, you are less of a security risk if they are aware of your situation and why you are there in the first place, that way if a security situation does arise, then they are better at directing staff at the unknown area's rather than ME wasting there time (Knowing I'm no threat) when they could be better utilised in area's they are more needed to be elsewhere due to security reasons. That's why I do it, and I can't stress enough... always, sorry I'll say that again ALWAYS... go back and say thank you for letting me take the photo's I wanted and let them know that you are leaving the station as and when you are ready to do so. I have several family in Security and in the Police... and that's why sometimes the simple things of saying Thank You can go a long way, and leaves it open for the next time I visit. Common Sense.... seems to be a common theme here lol Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Hi Anthony Few photos of the Penmaenmawr Signal Box (I have tried made the size bigger and hope that will help in Modelling terms, if I do upload any that appear smaller and would prefer it bigger just give me the nod and I'll alter the size of the Image for you. Hope you find these of interest. Regards Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Few photos of the Penmaenmawr Signal Box Regards Jamie 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) Ah man... Tempted today to Drone it first... with the glimmer of sunshine we had for couple of hours this morning. I have an App I use that tell's me if it's good to fly or not, based on perimeter's I set... [ If Wind Speed is <=24mph ] as the wind speed is the major factor and although it was Equal or below 24mph and in GREEN which is what I want, but the Cross Winds were over double [ >24mpg ] and was 62mph for the Cross Wind Speed and was in RED... so Big NO NO... Never mind, lets hope weather is better over the weekend... Regards Jamie Edited February 14, 2020 by 7APT7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Ashley Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 Jamie, Thanks for the excellent photos of the Penmaenmawr Signal Box. They are very detailed and will assist in modelling the structure later down the track. Putting together a large layout is like constucting a very large jigsaw puzzle with small steps required before you can finish the whole.Thank you again for your contribution and interest in the layout. If you are able to get photos of the viaduct it would be amazing. Good luck with the weather. I have photos below of the stages of development of the gully on the Penmaenmawr mountain. I painted a brown colour over the plaster areas, but found some uncovered no more gaps, which does not take the water based paint. Hence the need to reapply plaster in some areas as shown in the first 2 photos below. Having let the plaster dry I reapplied more brown paint as shown in the 2 photos below. I have also applied a black wash to the whole area, which is now drying. More photos tomorrow for the final effect in the gully area. Jamie thank you again for your contribution. Rgards, Anthony Ashley 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 13 hours ago, Anthony Ashley said: If you are able to get photos of the viaduct it would be amazing. Good luck with the weather. Hi Anthony I'm just happy I can help as it's near to where I live and I already taken photo's of some things you require Photos on, the Viaduct, it is on my radar to do leave that with me, we are in the middle of Storms at present and as not stopped raining for the last 24 hours where I am... maybe I live to near the Mt.Snowdon and under it's own little weather pastern as I can go one/two miles out of my village and its all good, still cloudy though lol. Penmaenmawr Sidings Photo's I have few photos of the Penmaenmawr Sidings round the back of the station, between Penmaenmawr station and the Dual Carriageway, quiet over grown now, as the last time I took a photo of any movement of filling Wagons with aggregate with a Class 66 was back in 2009, never seen nothing there since but the track work is all there and they did drop a load of new Ballast down in that area back in 2012/13 with talks of a new contract for more aggregate but whether that feel through I don't know as I say, I have never seen movement in that part since 2009, I think it was...? The points levers to change Points are still look like the originals, I guess it was the place where the Irish Night Mail accident happened after reading the book on the shunting at 3am in the early hours moving wagons out on to the UP line. You say and I'll try and deliver the goods... lol Your Photos are looking great, love the way you have made that clevis looking area in the rocks as if water should be trickling down of the mountains, looks really good. (Photo 1,3 & 4) Your Rock face look superb to... Look forward to seeing the end result of your hard work... Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) Hi Anthony Penmaenmawr Sidings Photo's Taken on August 10, 2009 Funny, I don't have many photo's for this end of the sidings in general, and when I took these photo's if was to catch the Train I saw in the station as I came round the bend in the distance and so I got off at the junction, I didn't go on, to the station for a close-ups of the Class 66 Freight Liner sadly.... so I only have these photo's of when it was last seen used, which was taken on August 10, 2009 But I'm glad I have taken Photo's of this end of the sidings with Buffer stop as seen in Above Photo, as I tend to have more photos taken from the Penmaenmawr station end and taken up on the bridge to enable me to zoom in more up to this end of the sidings you see here on these 3 Photo's, but again that is on my list to update to. Do you want photo's of the Machinery for the conveyor belts etc., taking the Aggregate to the train and the building you see in the distance...? Just so I know what I need to update on photo wise.... lol Regards Jamie Edited February 16, 2020 by 7APT7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Ashley Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) Jamie, I have not seen any really detailed photos of that end of the goods yard so the ones you have provided are very useful. If you look at my track plan of the relevant Penmaenmawr section below I have added a third storage line page (the thin blue lines are wiring guides). Given the layout is set in 1960 the short piece of track in the top photo above has obviously been shortened in the intervening years!! The extra storage area may be useful. Below are the photos of the gully with black wash having been applied. I am happy with the outcome. The white rocks above in the photo is another area of rock still be be applied using no more gaps, and then painted as the others have been. Please note the rubble still on the road will be cleared prior to road traffic being allowed through!! After that I need to pour some B Queen resin into rock moulds. This is a special resin which you can take out of your rock mould after about 10 minutes and wrap it around a circular pipe or tube. After about 40 minutes it will harden and retain its shape. I used this technique for the castle turrets and towers. The weather is too hot during the day at the moment to pour the moulds so I shall have to wait for evening. I have started 2 more tenement buildings and have about 13 ready for construction. I have drawn plans for 3D printing of a new version of tenement buildings incorporating Bay windows and another for a row of shops in Bangor (5 along the street). While progress appears slow it is continuing at a steady pace. Jamie thanks again for the photos. Do you have any of the rail underpass in the area of the Penmaenmawr station? I have some very distant shots but nothing showing the detail. Any shots of the mining buildings and equipment around the track/storage yard area would also be really useful if you can access this area and have time. Regards. Anthony Ashley Edited February 16, 2020 by Anthony Ashley 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Wow Anthony, Those Rocks are looking even better, so you have a resin into rock mould that you are using...? Is that just one Mould or Moulds of several shapes etc...? Is the Resin expensive to buy to create the Rock face...? In the past on the RMWeb I have seen up close a guy named Peter in a model club I used to be in and he used Celtex Insulation in sheets of 4ft x 2 ft (buy it in 25mm, 50,, 100mm thicknesses) from any builder store, and he would build it to the height he wanted then shape it with a knife to his liking and then he used Finishing Plaster by using a mini trawl to shape it in the shape of all the cracks etc. of the rock formation. and that looks really good to, paint the rock in greys and with mixed with Blue, Browns, Blacks and Whites to get the different colour shades of Rock Colours etc... I have uploaded many photos of his progress on his many Threads, sadly I don't see him anymore but I used to love and go and watch him model his layouts, you learn a great deal from just watching someone. I took step by step photo's and uploaded them on his Thread, If you search for Peter Midwinter User ID TRAINS12 on here, the RMWeb you will see all my photos on virtually every Layout of his, I took all the photo while he did the work etc, and he was brilliant to watch. In fact, I ran all my modern stock on his layout, as he was in the Steam Era like yourself. But you will 100's of photo's (no surprise there lol) of mine on his threads. He makes all his own track work points with SMP Thrack and Copper Clad... some of his layout are based around North Wales area's in parts. Search his Thread for the following layouts, Great Tunsley Dale, (worth a Look) its you type of Layout for the Buildings you are modelling. all have been scratch built by Peter, I have learned so much in the 5 years I spent with him, loads of How-To's... techniques etc...! Great Tunsley Dale Revisited, The Final Dream, (the Final Dream is every Layout in one huge shed he built to put them all in), Glen Gillie, Loch Inch & Bridge of Muir, Water Mill Halt a small oil/creosote/tar works, Scratch built bridges, How big is your library of reference books?, Trains 12 / Peters workbench, Layout Without A Name, Great Central Model show, Kinmundy, Porth Eithin, Connel Ferry Railway/road bridge 4mm scale, Llanberis Model Railway Show, Barrow Hill 22/23rd September, Porth Penrhyn, His Porth Penrhyn is based just outside Bangor 2 minutes up the road from Bangor. look at his other layouts to, as there is a photo theme of mine lol that I used to upload to his thread to, he models all those type buildings you have in Penmaenmawr, on GTD aka Great Tunsley Dale, his building work is absolutely superb, one of the best models I have seen for detail. GTD is all OO-Gauge and all are of a good length (34ft x 12ft) for exhibition which I used to help him with. As you can see he as many more thread, but for modelling is second to none, superb in detail and It was from being with Peter aka Trains12 that I started to observe what he looks for when modelling hence I guess the photo's I know take today. Regards Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Hi Anthony I have few more photo's hope they can be of good us, excuse some as it was an old camera and most are zoomed in so a bit blerd but I will be updating those when the sun next comes out lol all are of Penmaenmawr. Regards Jamie 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) Hi Anthony I have few more photo's all are of Penmaenmaw All the Photo's below are taken looking in the opposite direction from those in the previous above post. So you have the Road Tunnels seen on the dual carriageway, which spits in to two the one side (Left) carriageway heading towards the tunnel and towards Bangor while the other half (Right) side of the carriageway heading towards us round the far Right side which goes through Pen-Y-Clip Road Tunnel and then lower down you will see the Railway Tunnel or Pen-y-Clip Railway tunnel so you are looking at the tunnel mouth, the other side of the tunnel will be your viaduct.... We see the Railway crosses under the dual carriageway to enter the tunnel shortly after, which you can just about see in the very bottom left corner in the photo's below. This Photo below is taken on the other side of the carriageway from those above, so to your left, you have the dual carriageway then the Railway after that, hope that makes sense to you... so you can try to grasp where I am in relation to the Railway line. Below is a much better close-up (excuse the blurriness) but you can see One half of the dual carriageway going round the edge of the mountain and through Pen-y-Clip Tunnel, while the other half of the carriageways goes through the inside of the mountain itself. and below the carriageway that goes round the edge of the mountain, you can see right through the Railway tunnel lower down, to which is the Viaduct. So the train comes off the Viaduct and enters the tunnel from the other side of the mountain and we see it coming of of the tunnel to enter Penmaenmaw side. All the ABOVE PHOTOS are taken in 2009... I will be uploading 2013 Photo's next and they will be better of better quality as my camera is newer... and much better m-pixel, I'm trying to keep to the years together so I know those photo's have been uploaded. Hope that is OK...! Regards Jamie Edited February 17, 2020 by 7APT7 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Ashley Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 Jamie, I had a good look at the Great Tunsley Dale posts and those of Porth Penrhyn. They were very impressive and obviously a great amount of work. The layouts look great. The photos posted above are useful, but not quite so as the others. The reason being is that the highway awas added in about 1968, 8 years after I am modelling the layout set in 1960. The avalanche shelters are very useful. I have constructed one and part built the second. The one shown in the photos above has a roof at a crazy angle, designed i suppose to deflect rocks and anything else landing on it. The other is flat with grass growing on it form other photos I have seen. There is some confusion in what I am using for construction. The rock formations are all rock moulds made out of simple Plaster of Paris. I have about 20 moulds that I have used. Some of the rock moulds are Woodland scenics, some hand made from actual rocks from Ross who has helped out with the layout in Brisbane. For soem large buildings I have made moulds from plasticard stone and brick work. There are at least 7-8 stone surfaces I have moulded. These moulds are filled with resin. The first resin dries flat and is not bendable. The second resin can be taken out of the mould after about 10 minutes and remains pliable enough to bend around a 12 ml diameter 1/2 circle. I have made the front of one of the rail viaduct piers using the 12 i/2 round resin technique. Photos to follow. The smaller building will be mass produced by 3D printing and then covered in Scale Scenes paper stone and brick paper. I have tested how I am going to model the rail viaduct practising with a few off cuts, including the front of the stone piers. The rough stone piers, the stretched brick viaduct surface, the upper viaduct brick surface and the underneath of the arch, again made of brick. The 12 ml i/2 round pier fronts are the most difficult. Unfortunately every arch needs 1 resin cast. As there are 26 front and back that means 26 moulds to be cast. I tried to do some outside at night but was voraciously attacked by mosquitoes. I am licking my wounds (ie mosquito bites) and taking 2 nights off to recover. This post and the next will include photos of my experimentation to date on the rail viaduct. Attaching the cast resin to the pier front (12 ml 1/2 round timber) Ply base for the viaduct . Stone work added to lower pier section, before I realised the front was rounded (only saw pictures from the back initially). Part of the viaduct arches covered in resin. More photos below. Regards, Anthony Ashley 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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