Snowy Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Just before WW2 (around 1933 - 1935-ish), the Southern Railway were thinking of purchasing a number of 4-6-2+2-6-4's, but it came to nothing. I'm in the process of designing and purchasing stock for a ficticious Southern wartime layout and would like to include one of these loco's if possible as a 'What If' item.. Is anyone aware if a model of this type has ever been produced in OO - if so by who, is it still available and at what price ? Alternatively, given it's size, an HO model might not look that out of place; so again, is anyone aware of this loco having been produced in that scale ? Not too bothered what livery it might be in, as I'll convert it to wartime black. Thanks ! Snowy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted May 8, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 8, 2013 Just before WW2 (around 1933 - 1935-ish), the Southern Railway were thinking of purchasing a number of 4-6-2+2-6-4's, but it came to nothing. I'm in the process of designing and purchasing stock for a ficticious Southern wartime layout and would like to include one of these loco's if possible as a 'What If' item.. Is anyone aware if a model of this type has ever been produced in OO - if so by who, is it still available and at what price ? Alternatively, given it's size, an HO model might not look that out of place; so again, is anyone aware of this loco having been produced in that scale ? Not too bothered what livery it might be in, as I'll convert it to wartime black. Thanks ! Snowy Snowy, I hope that I'm proved wrong here - but I think that you are looking for something as unlikely as rocking-horse poo! Sorry, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 i think i saw an article some where about a white metal kit of one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted May 8, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 8, 2013 i think i saw an article some where about a white metal kit of one I hope that you're correct - it'll be a new one for me! Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 There are kits for South African GMAM Garrets in H0 from DJH (Should be H0m but also available in standard H0). These are 4-8-2 + 2-8-4 though and with smaller wheels than the Southern presumably wanted so would need major mods to the chassis. Are there any proposed diagrams for these Southern proposals? I don't recall any in the various Garrat books although there are several proposals for the LMS as well as the ones they actually bought. At that period they should have looked rather like a Rhodesian 15th class, putting new streamlined tanks on a Kitmaster kit could get you part of the way. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I would think that there would have been problems with axle loading and weight limits on many of the lines that would preclude the use of those monsters on Southern metals... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I would think that there would have been problems with axle loading and weight limits on many of the lines that would preclude the use of those monsters on Southern metals... One of the claimed advantages of the Garratt arrangement was precisely that, because the weight was spread over such a long (relative) distance, it was easier on the track than conventional locomotives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorsetmike Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 The white metal kit may well have been the N gauge one, it's been around for some years now. Or there's this https://www.model-railways-live.co.uk/news/526/Hattons_reveal_latest_pre-production_Beyer_Garratt_model_from_Heljan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 There are kits for South African GMAM Garrets in H0 from DJH (Should be H0m but also available in standard H0). These are 4-8-2 + 2-8-4 though and with smaller wheels than the Southern presumably wanted so would need major mods to the chassis. Are there any proposed diagrams for these Southern proposals? I don't recall any in the various Garrat books although there are several proposals for the LMS as well as the ones they actually bought. At that period they should have looked rather like a Rhodesian 15th class, putting new streamlined tanks on a Kitmaster kit could get you part of the way. Keith Keith - I got the details ffrom the book 'Locomotives of the Southerrn Railway' Part 1 - by D L Bradley page 76 gives details of the proposal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 I would think that there would have been problems with axle loading and weight limits on many of the lines that would preclude the use of those monsters on Southern metals... According to the details I have, the proposal was to replace some 64 locos* with just 10 of the 4-6-2+2-6-4 BGs on the Basingstoke to Exeter route - with a speed restriction of 75mph. The BGs would have been exactly 100' in length with a weight of some 209 tons. By comparison, the LMS BGs weighed in at 150 tons and the LNER models at 178 tons. * The loco's to be replaced were: 23 King Arthurs - 6 N15s - 16 S15s - 9 h15s - 8 2-6-0s - 2 0-6-0s These were be taken from Exmouth Junction (21), Salisbury (29) and Nine Elms (14). Snowy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Keith - I got the details from the book 'Locomotives of the Southerrn Railway' Part 1 - by D L Bradley page 76 gives details of the proposal. Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for it. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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