Help needed identifying steam locomotive

[Nelson Jackson]

Hi,

I'm hoping some people will be able to help me here,

I bought this engine about 8 years ago at an exhibition, and it's been sitting in a cabinet ever since, so today I brought it out, cleaned it up and thought of a few questions.

Does anyone know any information about this engine, the real engine and the model such as when it was built, is the model rare, what's it worth, etc... just general information about it, as I'm keen to find out what it is. So far I know it's a german engine, that's about it.

Here's some pictures, please do let me know if you need any more.

Don't know why it's yellow here?

Many thanks

Nelson

[Nedrahn]

I think I'm rather stating the obvious here, and by the time this is posted I could well have been beaten to it by a DR/DB expert. However, it's a standard German Br 24 mogul of the Reichsbahn, a class that was built from the late Twenties through to the late Thirties. Some were inherited by the Bundesbahn in the West, including 24067, which became the last of the class in service with DB. I could be wrong, but I believe it wasn't preserved, although other members of the class did survive.

 

As for the model, I'll leave it to someone who's more knowledgeable of Fleischmann. For what it's worth, it doesn't look up to current standards to me, but equally it isn't one of the old metal, slightly overscale jobs. Could it be 1980s/90s? I think the only Br 24 in my collection is an ancient Roco or even Piko - couldn't say without digging it out.

[Wellyboots]

According to Modellbau-Wiki Fleischmann 24 067 (article no. 4141) was produced between 1977 and 1985. As Nedrahn stated it was the last of the class in service, it was built by Henschel in 1931 and withdrawn in May 1966 from Rheydt, near Mönchengladbach.   

[Horsetan]

If you're really unlucky, it might even be one of the ones that Fleischmann made, using either a scale of 1:82 or 1:85. They didn't go fully 1:87 until the 1990s. However, the good thing about Fleischmann models of that era is the motor. It was apparently so good that Hornby cloned it, calling it "Silver Seal". Fleischmann were not pleased!

 

I think Roco may be bringing out a far better model of the Br.24 at some stage.

[Il Grifone]

I assume she's this one (a knowledge of German is useful, I'm afraid - Google translation seems to fail with technical terms*):

 

http://www.fleischmann-ho.nl/downloads/detailoverzichten/sleeptenderlocomotieven/4141-1979.pdf

 

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-Baureihe_24

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sa=X&imgurl=http://dlok.dgeg.de/img_files/br/br24-200.jpg&imgrefurl=http://dlok.dgeg.de/91.htm&h=574&w=1398&sz=124&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSEgmSCN2c50OtfyEk9FlHQeFPMQ&biw=1440&bih=787&dpr=1

 

 

For value, ebay is your friend.

 

*eg "The two-cylinder steam engine with steam expansion easier and Heusinger control was performed with the actuator on the second Kuppelradsatz.".

[Bernard Lamb]

As Nedrahn stated it was the last of the class in service, it was built by Henschel in 1931 and withdrawn in May 1966 from Rheydt, near Mönchengladbach.

Last one in service in the west. Some were still going until 1972 in the east.

In a similar manner to the standard classes in the UK this was a tender version of the BR64 tank loco.

Bernard

[Horsetan]

I think 64 305 may still be at the Nene Valley, but it hasn't worked for many years....

[EddieB]

The small Witte smoke deflectors (as sported by the model) were a DB modification.  Those that went to DR retained the original large Wagner type - as modelled by Piko/Gutzold.  Thirty-four went to Poland after the Second World War, becoming PKP class Oi2, ending service there in 1976. There are four preserved examples, 24 004, 009 and 083 (ex-PKP Oi2-22) in Germany and Oi2-29 in Poland.  I never saw any in service, but here are a couple of the preserved examples.

 

24 009 in steam at the Dresden event of 1998.

 

Oi2-22 on display at the loco depot at Tczew, Poland (2002).  Note the Polish style somkebox door and smoke deflectors, and absence of feedwater heater and associated pipework.

 

Edit: Remembered names of smoke deflectors after posting.