John Oxlade Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Being a bit of a newbie, I have noticed a few differences in tenders on various locos and I wonder if someone can clear the murk in front of my eyes? I have limited access to reference material and there's probably a perfectly simple answer, so I'll just say what I know/understand (even if wrong) and someone can hopefully correct me. T9s almost always had 8-wheel, inside frame tenders. If I recall correctly, my Father referred to them as watercarts. However, I have seen photos of them with 6-wheel outside frame tenders. Did the T9s last long enough to gain late emblems? All the photos I have seen of N15s show bogie tenders (not that "all" in this instance is a lot), except Hornby did Sir Meliagrance with a watercart (?) tender. Somewhere...? I have seen something about some locos being coupled to shorter tenders for use on the central division where the turntables were shorter - but I have no idea where I saw that now. So, how much did tenders get changed around? Was this on a whim, or was there logic behind (some of) it? Just to be awkward, now that I want an N15, the only one I can find here in NZ (also astronomically expensive) is Sir Meliagrance with a watercart tender and early emblem, when I'd actually like a bogie tender and late emblem. i.e. Their previous model of Sir Kay. I guess it is "eBay here I come". I'd also like an un-rebuilt Battle of Britain or West Country with the late emblem; again, not thick on the ground. I still can't make up my mind whether I am a central or south western modeller; Dad started work at Salisbury but then moved to Redhill - which is where I grew up. Decisions, decisions... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Did the T9s last long enough to gain late emblems? Can't help with any other bits of your question, but I can answer 'yes' to this. A few did, at least 30313 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/31890193@N08/10576993963/ ) and 30726, and I'm sure someone knowledgeable in things Southern will be along to add more. Since you're in NZ, you might be interested in this site - http://www.hobbycity.co.nz/shop/Trains/Locos/Hornby+Steam+Locos/-HOR_R3107.html . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Oxlade Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Yes I went in to both their shops yesterday. Nothing of major interest actually in stock. They had a Q1 but I can't bring myself to buy one. Sorry if I offend anyone but I think they look awful. I did get a Schools and rebuilt Merchant Navy from them a while back in a sale for less than I would have paid from the UK discount shops with postage. But Sir Meliagrance for over $300 (more than £150) is a bit steep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Oxlade Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 This model - with the 6-wheel tender - was one of the things that prompted the original post, though I hadn't seen that particular photo of the prototype before. Thanks for the additional info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Oxlade Posted December 1, 2013 Author Share Posted December 1, 2013 I "feared" my question wouldn't be straightforward. Thanks PD&SWJR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Oxlade Posted December 1, 2013 Author Share Posted December 1, 2013 Oh go on then, you started so you may as well finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted December 1, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2013 The Model Centre have R2622 in stock - 30778 Sir Pelleas. It's one of the "Scotch" Arthurs (was built in Scotland) and has the nice bogie tender. Recently bought one myself too! They do ship overseas. http://www.themodelcentre.co.uk/00-gauge/Hornby-locos/r2622-Hornby-br-39-sir-pelleas-39-30778-king-arthur-class-n15/prod_1425.html?added=1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbishop Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Paul, Your T9 information in post #8 is absolutely correct. However, there was a certain amount of 1950s tender swaps, 707 acquired a 6 wheel tender from "700" 346, I think with 13' wheelbase. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Ava_Hay Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 The Southern was probably the worst region for swapping and/or building tenders for specific tasked locos. This is because many of the Southern routes were not long enough to justify using a large heavy tender but would then be rostered to do some heavy train to a distant outpost and it was then necessary to calculate water consumption since it took too long to refill a tender mid trip. Good quality soft water was at a premium on the Southern as were refilling points. Remember also that the T9 was retro fitted with a superheater and this additional power resulted in an increase of water consumption. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Oxlade Posted December 4, 2013 Author Share Posted December 4, 2013 The more I learn the more I realise how little I know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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