UPNORTH Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Hello all I have been collecting information about Manchester Victoria/Exchange stations over the last few months ??“ I have a good collection of photos, plus a few books. However this isn??™t enough, as there are a few gaps in my knowledge and I was wondering if anyone has access to or help me find a track plan of the two stations between the 1950s and 1960s. Thank you. James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 There was an article in one of those annuals that used to appear every Christmas, but I am am talking a long time ago, circa 1964. Trains Illustrated, Railway World, something like that. I recall it definitely had a full track plan in it. (By the way, you would need an awful lot of points.) I still have that book somewhere, but I really am not sure where. Maybe someone else can provide the full reference. Failing that, the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Society might be a good bet. I'm pretty sure they have published a book on Victoria, but whether it has the desired track plan I couldn't say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 There was a more recent article, in British Railways Illustrated I think, which had a track plan. I'll have a look at the weekend and see if I can find the issue details. I'm sure somewhere I have a track plan in one publication or another. Arthur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I have found the manuscript and photo captions dated 2002 for an article of mine published in one of the monthlies, maybe 'Rail Express'; but I cannot locate the trackplan I prepared of Man Vic. It did not include Man Exchange though. In fact the drawing might not have been sent with the article. Sorry to be a bit vague. Larry G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPNORTH Posted October 21, 2009 Author Share Posted October 21, 2009 Thank you for the feedback you have given me. Just another thing, I think that they should have kept the two stations as they were for two very good reasons. One being that it is just one big piece of concrete and looks a mess. And two, I was only born when they sent in the builders in the early Nineties and I would have loved to have seen it with my own eyes instead of through the means of media. James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Believe me by the end it was no architectural dream, it was the trains that made the station. Having said that, a little bit more effort on the replacement would have made for a more pleasing environment and the station frontage is going nowhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjy83 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Hey, Not sure if you've taken a look at this yet, but there is a book called British Railways Layout Plands of the 1950s - Volume 5: ex-Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway Lines in West Lancashire. Long title!! It covers from Southport/Liverpool Exchange to Manchester Victoria West Junction so it could have some of the information you're looking for. Shows signals too, which is handy. Obviously it's not to scale, but it's a useful reference point! It's in signal box order, so in the Manchester/Salford City Centre section, goes Windsor Bridge No2 > Hope Street (Goods Only) > Windsor Bridge No1 > Salford > Deal Street > Manchester Victoria West Junction. Hope this helps. If you're building a layout with that plan, I take my hat off to you sir! Most complex! Ben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPNORTH Posted October 21, 2009 Author Share Posted October 21, 2009 Thank you Ben. That title needs a bit of work on it I think. Ideally I would like a to scale plan, but at this stage it doesn't real matter too much. It is more of a dream layout to be honest but hopefully one day it shall be(if all goes to plan of course!). Woodenhead - I believe you, don't worry about that. I wish they could have had put a bit more effort into it and made something that is pleasant to be in, instead of something you just go to because you need to go there. James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62659 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 There was a track plan in one of the OPC London Midland Stations books. It would make a terrific model if you had a sports hall to build it in (and a rugby team to operate it!) Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I don't know if you have seen this, but on this site http://www.ekeving.se/ext/uk/VicEx_Manchester/index.html?bcsi_scan_538D2B4A92AB07CF=0&bcsi_scan_filename=index.html there is a detailed article on the 1929 resignalling of the Manchester stations with plenty of photos, and, right at the bottom, there are two links to the signalling diagrams for the two stations - not to exact scale but all the pointwork is there in detail - should keep you busy for a while. I also remember the article in, as I recall, Trains Illustrated Annual for 1964 or 65, but it is submerged somewhere in the loft with lots of other books and magazines, and unlikely to surface for a month or so, due to modelling commitments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBelcher Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Some handy web links on the old Westinghouse miniature-lever power boxes in the Victoria area; http://www.wbsframe.mste.co.uk/public/pdf/ManchersterVictoriaWestJJunction_trackplan.pdf http://www.wbsframe.mste.co.uk/public/Manchester_Victoria_West.html http://www.wbsframe.mste.co.uk/public/Manchester_Victoria_West_Station.html http://www.wbsframe.mste.co.uk/public/Manchester_Deal_Street.html http://www.wbsframe.mste.co.uk/public/pdf/DealStreet_trackplan.pdf Also one for the later East panel box; http://www.signalbox.org/branches/bw/manvic.htm Hope you find these helpful. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 James, Not yet found the magazine article but, for what they're worth, I have found the following: The LMS & LNER in Manchester ? R.E Rose ? ? Ian Allan ? 1987 ? ? undated plan of both stations Rail Centres: Manchester ? ? Stanley Hall? ? Ian Allan ? 1995 ? full signaling plan of Exchange & West Victoria ? circa 1930 Liverpool & Manchester:? LNWR Lines ? Bob Pixton ? Kestrel 2006 ? undated plan of Exchange Liverpool & Manchester: ? L & Y Lines ? ? ? Bob Pixton ? Kestrel ? 2008 ? 1928 plan of Victoria? I'll try and find the magazine article. Arthur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Hello all I have been collecting information about Manchester Victoria/Exchange stations over the last few months ??“ I have a good collection of photos, plus a few books. However this isn??™t enough, as there are a few gaps in my knowledge and I was wondering if anyone has access to or help me find a track plan of the two stations between the 1950s and 1960s. Thank you. James Theres a track plan of Manchester Victoria in railway magazine feb 1969. I can scan it for you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPNORTH Posted October 25, 2009 Author Share Posted October 25, 2009 Theres a track plan of Manchester Victoria in railway magazine feb 1969. I can scan it for you? Please, that would be great. Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Please, that would be great. Thank you I cant attach it, is there an email i can send it to? PM me if you want with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPNORTH Posted October 25, 2009 Author Share Posted October 25, 2009 I cant attach it, is there an email i can send it to? PM me if you want with it. My email is james_dixon93@hotmail.com Thank you James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 My email is james_dixon93@hotmail.com Thank you James Incoming.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPNORTH Posted October 25, 2009 Author Share Posted October 25, 2009 Incoming.... Brilliant, Thank you for doing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Type4 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 On 25/10/2009 at 18:03, Russell Saxton said: I cant attach it, is there an email i can send it to? PM me if you want with it. Would you still be able to send a copy? I have the East Jn. Box diagram and would like to see a good copy of West Jn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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