richard i Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 And the final project before spray painting as a batch. This will take a little longer as it needs to be scratch built. looking forward to all the rivets. I just saw its length and thought it had to be built. must make sure i do not put any twist into it, at that length it will be very noticable. Richard 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 Question from the photo above the flatrol looking from above seems to have no floor between the beams, is this right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23, 2015 Question from the photo above the flatrol looking from above seems to have no floor between the beams, is this right? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Probably to keep the tare weight as low as possible, given that the loads would tend to be rather heavy. Also possibly to allow certain loads to protrude below floor level, thereby keeping within the loading gauge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 flatrol building up to now first the longditudinal runners then the ends then the bolsters then cross members ahhhh tangiable progress. Also a chance to admire some fetching foot wear. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 Then a change of tack and the fitting of fences and mud/bushes around the wood. first wire up the plastic fence posts each cut, and shaped from plastic sprue, indervidually drilled for the five wires to run through and then run on to the wires. Holes drilled for the posts and marked out with cooing skewers so that the holes are not lost in the grass, all using a template for the spacing of the posts. Fence fitted up the bank and bedded in with folliage Then the mud bank given attention on the road side, it is a lighter mud to the mud in the wood as that is in the shade and so would not have had the sun to dry it out. Have noticed how th trees foliage looks so starkly different, it is the flash as it is much more muted and blended in reality. That is 2/3 of the embankment done. One field left, cows or horses that is the question? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 24, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2015 Then a change of tack and the fitting of fences and mud/bushes around the wood. first wire up the plastic fence posts each cut, and shaped from plastic sprue, indervidually drilled for the five wires to run through and then run on to the wires. fence1.jpg Holes drilled for the posts and marked out with cooing skewers so that the holes are not lost in the grass, all using a template for the spacing of the posts. fences2.jpg Fence fitted up the bank and bedded in with folliage fences5.jpg Then the mud bank given attention on the road side, it is a lighter mud to the mud in the wood as that is in the shade and so would not have had the sun to dry it out. fences3.jpg fences4.jpg Have noticed how th trees foliage looks so starkly different, it is the flash as it is much more muted and blended in reality. That is 2/3 of the embankment done. One field left, cows or horses that is the question? HI Richard You have been busy. As for the field, horses or cows? Depends on the grass. Dairy cattle do better on some grasses, which make horses fat, so they are not normally mixed. You will need to find out what types of cattle were farmed in your area at the date of modelling, some places were better for beef heards and others dairy. See I do listen to Carys and the Archers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The main cow to avoid for the era is the Fresian, which is the most common cow of all in the modern UK - black and white jobs, as they were very rare back in the day. A 'safe' colour is brown, or black, possibly with odd white streaks and patches but not the piebald effect. Often with horns, another thing that 'modern' cattle tend not to have. There's a whole small pocket book on cows - I have a copy - and its amazing how many breeds there are. The majority are now relatively rare as the all conquering Fresian dominates most fields. This is the thing with railway modelling - it takes you into all sorts of unexpected fields - no pun intended. It's a similar story with pigs and indeed sheep. A highly educative hobby ours. You could build a complete school curriculum around it. (Even French could be taught by a study of that genius Monsieur Chapelon.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 Sounds like it will be horses, less of a minefield unless someone is going to tell me that horses back then had horns. Except unicorns who obviously had a horn and always will, .................that has given me an idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 24, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2015 Sounds like it will be horses, less of a minefield unless someone is going to tell me that horses back then had horns. Except unicorns who obviously had a horn and always will, .................that has given me an idea. Hi Richard Would there have been many horses in fields? Most would have been working animals and those that weren't would have been stabled ready for when the lord of the manor said "Saddle up Brian the 'orse, I have a fox to hunt." http://www.bedfordtoday.co.uk/news/local/brian-the-former-police-horse-is-put-up-for-sale-1-6595069 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexb Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Wow! I've been lurking on and off here for ages, but not popped in for several months. This layout is brilliant.Pretty much what I am intending to build... in time! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted February 26, 2015 Author Share Posted February 26, 2015 Wow! I've been lurking on and off here for ages, but not popped in for several months. This layout is brilliant.Pretty much what I am intending to build... in time! Thank you for the kind comment, feedback is appreciated as there is little understanding of pre grouping UK outline here in the states. I would say if you want the layout start building componants for it now and they will be ready to place when the boards appear. There are changes in the track layout i would make to improve opperational interest. Could say more if you want to? Clive now you are making me think about horses, so just unicorns .....or did they work those back then as well? The cruel beeep beeb beeps. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Progress update. The fence has been finished for the cows field. Yes the cows are the wrong colour, but they do have horns which will be obvious once repainted. Also the long open wagon has got its load. God bless the little coffee stirers you can get which are used in take away establishments. It will be sheeted down once the wagon is painted. That is on hold as it is snowing outside again. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryD1471 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Hi Richard Glad you pointed me in the direction of this layout of yours; the stock and locos look very convincing, as does the scenic work. Now I know where this, I shall follow its progress with great interest. (Not quite sure about that big green thing that says 2001 on the cab, though!). A bit of a space odyssey, methinks. Keep up the good work. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 Thank you Terry The big green one fits under rule one. Also layout is to be run in different era, who is to say it did not go to one of the open days at leicester or Nottingham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted March 9, 2015 Author Share Posted March 9, 2015 Rivets anyone. It is not done there are still 64 to add. For the counters of rivets out ther that still means i will be 48 short of the correct number which as this is the tail end of the riveting makes me question how many i have fitted from the start. Thank goodness for transfer rivets. The next wagon was going to be a 53ft weltrol but i think that will wait until i can face a lot of rivets again. Instead i think i will build an open cct, i have counter it only has 24 rivets......easy. Richard 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted March 9, 2015 Author Share Posted March 9, 2015 Thank you for the craftmanship ticks above, in fairness though i think it requires little skill, but a loss of sanity is compulsory. Perserverance is necessary more than any other skill. lets hope it all shows up once it is all painted up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Don't undersell yourself. To build something like this from scratch requires quite a bit of skill, and certainly a lot of perseverance. Only a small minority would think of tackling such a project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 12, 2015 Don't undersell yourself. To build something like this from scratch requires quite a bit of skill, and certainly a lot of perseverance. Only a small minority would think of tackling such a project. Hi Poggy I find building from scratch, not that I have done much in recent years, does not take skill, or perseverance but sheer determination that I will have a model of something I want and have it now not 30 years time should an RTR version appear. Skill comes as you make your models. Learning form others can be helpful, even if it is little tips like keeping your files clean so that they cut. I spent a whole club night cleaning Richard's files for him. I do hope he is not bringing them back to England this summer because they need cleaning again. What I like about making my own is researching the prototype enough to make a model, working out how I am going to achieve building it and the actual assembly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 Thank you all for your kind words. Those files you mentioned Clive...............plasticard does fill them up somewhat and so does white metal. What are you doing say last Monday in June at 8pm? I too enjoy the research element, though i also like to see it go together, the main painting i just get through, but then i get really into the fine painting and weathering, especially wood at the moment. In all honesty i think the kill comes from knowing what will work for the pieces and in which order they ned to go together. Building a few good kits teaches you that. How much do i and many others owe to Parkside Dundas? I have a few more pics of progress which i must upload, but i am preping for my USA driving theory test tomorrow, so they will be on hold until later tomorrow. Richard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 Some pictures of the ladies.........cows that have been back dated and put to munch happily in the field whilst watching the railway. It is amazing how much more things are brought to life with a little wash of, in this case, mud brown over them. Richard 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 Next up the wagons are through the paintshop. First up the gunpowder van in bufferbeam red, it will mellow in shine aftr transfers and a matt varnish is applied. Next the warflat, tried to get the wood right. Still unsure of its lettering for transfers c.1918 Third is the twin bolster Then the long wagon Lastly the set. In the background is the flatrol it needs more work, i will be pulling out the wire as it is too simplistic as these wagons had chains fixed at the top and i think i have a solution to make it work .........watch this space. Next up trial fitting loads 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 Loads trial fitted, they will need roping/chaining down First up the long wagon with its wood load, it will be roped down in due course. Then the twin bolster with telegraph poles, these will be chained down Lastly the whippet, it may get personalised if i can find some letters in my spare transfers box. the second still awaits its replacement left track and i may add stores boxes to it to ring the changes. the question is how to secure the tank, i assume chains but how to get them to look under tension in 4mm, also would they not have a tightening block? transfers to come and weathering. Richard P.S. i passed the driving theory test, now just have to drive 1 mile on test to get my full licence. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Harrison Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 How many 'Musical Boxes' are going to go on that warflat? If there is only the one it might be better in the middle of the wagon, as in the real world (which doesn't apply here thankfully ), if loaded like that you'd be putting a huge mass over one bogie, so in effect the other wheelsets would be carrying little or none of the load... which isn't good for the axle loading, or for the longitudinal stability of the wagon. Of course if there is another in the works waiting to be fitted you could put it on the other end and balance out. Gah, another instance of my dayjob butting into my hobby.... Really great work on the new wagons- the well wagon in particular is turning out as a great build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 there will be two whippets on the wagon, which was how they were traditionally loaded, both facing the same way so i am told. physics will be prototypically obeyed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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