Simond Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Hi all, As you may have seen from my Porth Dinllaen thread, I'm restoring/resuscitating a Dean K3 PBV. Haven't found any pix so far in my books, or online (apart from one sold in ebay, and referred to as a K15 which it isn't), so would be grateful if anyone can point me at anything that might inform my painting & lettering. Thanks Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 There were a few articles in Model Railway Constructor 40' Brake Vans - MRC 6/67, 8/67, 9/67K2/3/4/14/15/16 and derivatives40' Brake Van - MRC 11/79, 1/80Dia K3 We put a bunch of coach references together in this thread: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/22238-gwr-coaches/ Also, there is a nice drawing of a K3 in Russell Vol.1, but no photo. Edit: of the MRC articles, the most useful appear to be 6/67, which describes liveries, and 11/79 which has photos of K2s (8/67 has a photo of a K2 in late '20s livery, but that is duplicated in 11/79). 1/80 is just a postscript to the 11/79 article with a couple of scrap end drawings, and 8/67 and 9/67 deal with the later 40' PBVs. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 Thanks, will check when I get home! Best Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOxon Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 The leading vehicle in the 'corridor train' shown in Harris p.39 is, I believe, a K4. The double doors in the two large compartments are nearer the ends of the van, with only four panels between them and the ends of the vehicle. For anyone interested in this train, there is a detailed description, with diagrams and the same photo as in Harris, in 'The Engineer' dated 15th April 1892, which can be downloaded from http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/0/08/Er18920415.pdf Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I would agree that it is a K4. The K2 and K3 were similar, with six panels, where, as Mike points out, the K4 had four. As you are modelling the early '30s, you can probably use either overall brown or brown and cream (with or without panel lining - depends on when it was last painted) as I have seen photographic evidence of the 40' PBVs (K14s) in both liveries in the '30s (in 'The Great Western Railway in the 1930s') Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Thanks both. I have that book, and did see the picture, but somehow didn't note it's relevance. I think the term is "doh!" It is certainly clear in the web link, and I agree that it's a K4 Best Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 GWR in the 30's vol 1 - photo 104 - 40' van, look-outs removed - 4 pairs of doors - was it a K13-5? Vol 2 photo 224 - similar photo 218 - 40' van with two sets of double doors - caption indicates van number 1082-4 Photo 193 - another van with look-outs removed - gives change details as K4 to K30 Great Western Gallery Pg 19 - looks like a K4 in brown pg 22 - looks like a K4 in cream & brown Can't find a K3.... Best Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 GWR in the 30's vol 1 - photo 104 - 40' van, look-outs removed - 4 pairs of doors - was it a K13-5? Vol 2 photo 224 - similar photo 218 - 40' van with two sets of double doors - caption indicates van number 1082-4 Photo 193 - another van with look-outs removed - gives change details as K4 to K30 If the vans were identifiable, the identification would be in the listings at the back of each volume. I think they are mostly listed as K14+. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kada33 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 GWR in the 30's vol 1 - photo 104 - 40' van, look-outs removed - 4 pairs of doors - was it a K13-5? Vol 2 photo 224 - similar photo 218 - 40' van with two sets of double doors - caption indicates van number 1082-4 Photo 193 - another van with look-outs removed - gives change details as K4 to K30 Great Western Gallery Pg 19 - looks like a K4 in brown pg 22 - looks like a K4 in cream & brown Can't find a K3.... Best Simon Hi Simond I have just added two articles in my Data section (click on the link below Modelling Data) which you may find helpful, these are from MRC Feb 77 (2 pages) and MRC Nov 79 (5 pages) the quality is not very good but it should give you an insight as whether you look for these two publications. These articles were scanned a long time ago when scanners were not that good, if I come across these or any others I have that need redoing then I'll re-issue in my Modelling Data page. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 Dave Thanks for this - just had look, really very helpful! Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOxon Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Hi Simond I have just added two articles in my Data section (click on the link below Modelling Data) which you may find helpful, these are from MRC Feb 77 (2 pages) and MRC Nov 79 (5 pages) the quality is not very good but it should give you an insight as whether you look for these two publications. These articles were scanned a long time ago when scanners were not that good, if I come across these or any others I have that need redoing then I'll re-issue in my Modelling Data page. Dave Very interesting - especially the 'K3 Mystery' article. If that is correct, there was only one K3 (No.897) but several different 'versions' of K2. The 'K3' drawing in Russell's GW Coaches part 1 is, apparently, a vehicle that never existed. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 Thanks for the help! The K3 has been repainted, transferred, and now awaits a touch of airbrush weathering - It's already partially weathered but needs some track grime spreading upwards. I want it to appear really quite old and faded, so the gold lining (gel pen) is pretty thin. The target will be "15 or more years since last painted". I'd hoped for more consistency with the gel pens, but they seem rather variable. For a hi-fidelity approach, see Heather Kay's broad gauge coach build on WT. The roof handrails took a couple of goes to get reasonable. The black frame paint is actually Sharpie marker pen. Transfers from HMRS. Lighting is two GoW on a bit of Vero, with backscratchers on one bogie. Probably should have gone for both bogies to stop the flickering... Best Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Thanks for the help! The K3 has been repainted, transferred, and now awaits a touch of airbrush weathering - It's already partially weathered but needs some track grime spreading upwards. I want it to appear really quite old and faded, so the gold lining (gel pen) is pretty thin. The target will be "15 or more years since last painted". I'd hoped for more consistency with the gel pens, but they seem rather variable. For a hi-fidelity approach, see Heather Kay's broad gauge coach build on WT. The roof handrails took a couple of goes to get reasonable. The black frame paint is actually Sharpie marker pen. Transfers from HMRS. I don't think the GWR at that period would let stock go for 15 years without some sort of repaint, but even so the roof by that time would have weathered to very sooty grey – not just dirt, there was a chemical reaction going on between the white lead and atmospheric sulphur. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 Richard Fair point - I simply don't know. I wanted it to look "old and relegated to non-passenger duties", maybe I'm pushing the bounds of credibility. Hopefully a dose of weathering will hide a multitude of sins. Not painting it again... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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