ModelZone - East Coast Main Line HST

[Barry J]

I e-mailed MZ last night to point out the error - got a rather snooty responce that "the image was Hornby's responsibility & only a representation of the model, but they would pass on my comments to the Hornby designers"... all I wanted to hear was "ooop, thanks for pointing that out!"

[agentskj]

I don't see the price as such a grave deal the HST since re-tooling has been expensive i take that is because there must be something to make sure both motors run the same at a guess

 

One idea i has was to order the HST pack ie the two driving cars (Motorised and dummy) and use various other Mk 3 carriages with some fictitious story or buy the carriages and use a cheep HST pack

 

I hope to get one will need a trip to model zone at some point

 

Sam

[magic_monkey09]

if the new HST power cars are anything to go by then the model should be really nice! Hornby have already accuratley produced the MTU style power cars on both the GNER and newer FGW models. Hopefully the wrong facing white corners will be sorted out before production begins B) fingers crossed they are out in time before the Franchise is re-let

 

The price seems fair enough to me taking in to account they are only a limited run and the average price on a Hornby HST seems to be largley expensive anyway. One good thing is that it will put off 'Impulse' buyers meaning people who genuinely want/need the model will pay the money if they truely want it.

 

speaking for myself i wouldn't mind one but i never see them nor model their region so I think i'll give this one a miss im sure there are people out there that need the model alot more than i do

 

i'm happy with my FGW one B)

[47423]

Hornby have already accuratley produced the MTU style power cars on both the GNER and newer FGW models.

They have only produced the Valenta version of GNER,with the new style lights after E exams.They still retain the Marston cooler group.

I hope that Hornby remember that East Coast and Cross Country both have the Brush twin fan cooler and not the single fan Voith cooler as on FGW cars.

[43179]

I hope that Hornby remember that East Coast and Cross Country both have the Brush twin fan cooler

 

 

They certainly have! inside the FGW power car models, where the cooling fan is mounted, there is clearly provision for the pair of Brush fans, as the mounting points for them are already there - in the motorised power car the fans will rotate too - The twin Brush fans are also shown in hornbys service diagram

 

TFN

 

Jon

[47423]

They certainly have! inside the FGW power car models, where the cooling fan is mounted, there is clearly provision for the pair of Brush fans, as the mounting points for them are already there - in the motorised power car the fans will rotate too - The twin Brush fans are also shown in hornbys service diagram

 

TFN

 

Jon

Excellent,not seen the FGW cars yet. Mine are due to arrive tomorrow B)

[magic_monkey09]

They have only produced the Valenta version of GNER,with the new style lights after E exams.They still retain the Marston cooler group.

I hope that Hornby remember that East Coast and Cross Country both have the Brush twin fan cooler and not the single fan Voith cooler as on FGW cars.

 

you guys clearly know your power cars well i stand corrected as i suppose Grand Central's also have the new LED Tunnel Lights yet still retain Valenta engines but you knew guys what i meant Personally i prefer the new light style to the old ones but maybe thats just me i much prefer the yellow warning panel on GNER/NXEC/East-Coast power cars its such a neat stripe down the nose rather than the whole front painted yellow hopefully the model will depict this perfect B) B)

[magic_monkey09]

They have only produced the Valenta version of GNER,with the new style lights after E exams.They still retain the Marston cooler group.

I hope that Hornby remember that East Coast and Cross Country both have the Brush twin fan cooler and not the single fan Voith cooler as on FGW cars.

 

How come the FGW cars have differnt fans? weren't they were re-engined with MTU's at Brush Traction? seems odd that they didnt recieve the Brush twin fan coolers like XC and NXEC (East Coast) or did the fans remain un-touched when the cars went in for the MTU programme.. ?

[47423]

How come the FGW cars have differnt fans? weren't they were re-engined with MTU's at Brush Traction? seems odd that they didnt recieve the Brush twin fan coolers like XC and NXEC (East Coast) or did the fans remain un-touched when the cars went in for the MTU programme.. ?

Yes,all cars were done at Brush.

FGW have just choosen a different spec to GNER,by in large all FGW cars had Marston cooler`s on conversion.

GNER also choose a higher spec electronics package for their cars too.

[47423]

you guys clearly know your power cars well i stand corrected as i suppose Grand Central's also have the new LED Tunnel Lights yet still retain Valenta engines but you knew guys what i meant Personally i prefer the new light style to the old ones but maybe thats just me i much prefer the yellow warning panel on GNER/NXEC/East-Coast power cars its such a neat stripe down the nose rather than the whole front painted yellow hopefully the model will depict this perfect B) B)

I also agree the original light cluster would have looked far better,just hope a FGW Barbie car is on next years production.

[magic_monkey09]

Yes,all cars were done at Brush.

FGW have just choosen a different spec to GNER,by in large all FGW cars had Marston cooler`s on conversion.

GNER also choose a higher spec electronics package for their cars too.

 

as far as i'm aware when the FGW power cars entered Brush Traction for MTU fitment they did not alter much/anything regarding the controls in the drivers cab. You mentioned that GNER requested a high-spec electronic package for theirs... does that mean that the current EastCoast operated class 43 power cars have revised/improved driver controls or not?

[Dazza 50 015]

as far as i'm aware when the FGW power cars entered Brush Traction for MTU fitment they did not alter much/anything regarding the controls in the drivers cab. You mentioned that GNER requested a high-spec electronic package for theirs... does that mean that the current EastCoast operated class 43 power cars have revised/improved driver controls or not?

 

 

Yes the driving cabs were changed, as to whether or not they are improved is debatable!!!!!! The controls are exactly the same but the panels with the switches on were changed all the buttons now are brightly colourd red yellow blue etc looks like something fisher price would do.......New chairs were fitted (much more comfortable than the previous ones) and the sunflower indicator,T.P.W.S panels are located in the central panel directly in front of driver rather than dotted about all over the place. New doors were fitted with inward opening windows as opposed to the old chin chopper style. New style sun blinds (one that fits all the way across the window rather than two) The gauges on the dash board (speedo, air, bogie, brake and amps) are new style. They are slightly angled towards the driver in the hope of reducing glare from the sun....Apart from that there is very little changed. Recently video camaras are being installed on the drivers desk (forward facing) to help with "operational difficulties".

[Dazza 50 015]

The new (fisher price) MTU style driving cab

 

The old style cab. I have a better picture somewhere. once i find it i will download it.

[Dazza 50 015]

The picture of the MTU style cab was one of the first to be completed, hence it still has an old drivers chair and old style sun blinds.......

[Shedmaster]

The new (fisher price) MTU style driving cab

 

The old style cab. I have a better picture somewhere. once i find it i will download it.

 

What the hells THAT, an HST running on a single yellow ? I didnt think that was possible........lol's........

 

Dave

[Dazza 50 015]

What the hells THAT, an HST running on a single yellow ? I didnt think that was possible........lol's........

 

Dave

 

 

Its worse than that. I was stopped at that signal due to platform congestion. Only one train past me then the signal cleared. When i arrived into platforms, there are 6 EMPTY..........

Mind you i was E.C.S from the depot.

[47423]

as far as i'm aware when the FGW power cars entered Brush Traction for MTU fitment they did not alter much/anything regarding the controls in the drivers cab. You mentioned that GNER requested a high-spec electronic package for theirs... does that mean that the current EastCoast operated class 43 power cars have revised/improved driver controls or not?

The FGW had new desk`s fitted too,slightly different to the GNER style(thanks for putting the photo`s up Daz B) )

Here is a pic of the FGW cab,go to the bottom of the lists.

http://www.therailwaycentre.com/New%20TRC%20Main%20Pages/MTU%20Class%2043s.html

[47423]

From the excellent HST Forum http://www.hstgen.co.uk/index.php

 

This is the Basic differences

 

FGW (except 53/56)

New LED head/tailights and twin style cluster

1970s electronics cubicle, with new relays.

New style cab desk

Partial? re-wire

Replacement engine and Cooler (MTU/Voith)

New cab doors

New style van doors.

Van windows plated over on earlier cars

Dual air pipes

 

EMT

Original lamps with new Tri light cluster

Newly developed Electronics cubicle

New cab desk

Replacement engine and Cooler (VP/Brush)

Full Re-wire

Original cab doors - replacement soon to be started

Original van doors?

Van windows plated over on earlier cars

 

 

NXEC/AXC

Catflap window style new cab doors

New LED head/tailights and twin cluster

New brush electronics cubicle

New cab desk

full re-wire

New MTU engine and Brush cooler

New van doors

Van windows plated over on earlier cars

Dual air pipes

 

Also if you want some more infomation on HST`s

http://www.125group.org.uk/ B)

[magic_monkey09]

The HST's really are smashing machines. i just love the wail of the MK3 coaches as they pass over the trackwork when they depart even tho the new MTU engine isn't quite as appealing to the average railfan i still like the change in tone the engine makes as the driver applies power when departing barely a spec of clag though, alls u can see is blurred heat coming off the exhaust silencer B)

 

how do the driver controls get so grubby? u would think someone would get a wetwipe on them looks as if the depot engineers climb in with hands covered in grease and oil

[Dazza 50 015]

The engineers have a lot to answer for when working in the cabs but the majority of the dirt and grime comes from when the power car is in reverse. The exhaust from the engine gets blown back in the trains slipstream and enters the rear cab through vents and gaps in the bodywork. This was a major problem with the paxmen valentas but as the MTUs are much more enviromentally friendly its not so bad.

[Steve - ModelZone]

Hi guys,

 

The ModelZone East Coast HST is now in stock in most stores and available online. I've taken some close up pics and added a 360 degree view for the 2 car pack (Power/Dummy car). Actual pics of the coaches and buffet car to follow.

 

http://www.modelzone...t-hst-pack.html

 

Regards,

Steve

[Intercity 91]

Grr.. Again as with the Cross Country HST Hornby have added black radiator grills, WHY! I was soooo looking forward to this one (drive them).

[MrB]

Hello Folks,

 

I'm looking to model one of the 'East Coast' sets using the Model Zone products as a starting point, but would like to number all the coaches in the set and possibly the locos.

I'm looking for numbers and name plates suitable for the renaming and a prototype set to rename them too.

Any information on set make ups on the trains preferably running on a sunday in Sept 2011 or between 22nd May to 10th Dec 2011 from Aberdeen to London KX or return journey.

 

Regards

 

Roy

[rs4]

Hi Roy

 

Not strictly the time that you asked for, but I did have "gen" for 27/12:

 

EC51 43277 41120 41150 40748 42215 42091 42146 42150 

42154 44094 43251.

EC52 43319 41039 41040 40735 42323 42189 42057 42058

42059 44019 43300.

EC53 43320 41190 41044 40737 42340 42127 42063 42064

42065 44045 43311.

EC54 43296 41087 41088 40742 42104 42161 42171 42172

42219 44056 43239.

EC55 43305 41091 41092 40704 42179 42188 42180 42181

42106 44058 43302.

EC56 43316 41170 41118 40720 42241 42363 42242 42243

42244 44098 43367.

EC57 43317 41151 41152 40740 42226 42128 42182 42186

42190 44080 43299.

EC60 43257 41066 41164 40711 42122 42116 42357 42134

42355 44031 43238.

EC61 43308 41115 41165 40706 42117 42159 42160 42109

42110 44057 43290.

EC62 43208 41185 41095 40750 42130 42326 42330 42237

42307 44075 43310.

EC63 43318 41159 41083 40708 42163 42286 42228 42354

42322 44050 43314.

EC64 43272 41062 41154 40805 42125 42335 42123 42205

42210 44073 43313

 

I might be able to make enquiries re your preferred dates.

 

Trust this gives you an idea anyway

 

Regards

 

Nick

 

[MrB]

Hi Roy

 

Not strictly the time that you asked for, but I did have "gen" for 27/12:

 

EC51 43277 41120 41150 40748 42215 42091 42146 42150

42154 44094 43251.

EC52 43319 41039 41040 40735 42323 42189 42057 42058

42059 44019 43300.

EC53 43320 41190 41044 40737 42340 42127 42063 42064

42065 44045 43311.

EC54 43296 41087 41088 40742 42104 42161 42171 42172

42219 44056 43239.

EC55 43305 41091 41092 40704 42179 42188 42180 42181

42106 44058 43302.

EC56 43316 41170 41118 40720 42241 42363 42242 42243

42244 44098 43367.

EC57 43317 41151 41152 40740 42226 42128 42182 42186

42190 44080 43299.

EC60 43257 41066 41164 40711 42122 42116 42357 42134

42355 44031 43238.

EC61 43308 41115 41165 40706 42117 42159 42160 42109

42110 44057 43290.

EC62 43208 41185 41095 40750 42130 42326 42330 42237

42307 44075 43310.

EC63 43318 41159 41083 40708 42163 42286 42228 42354

42322 44050 43314.

EC64 43272 41062 41154 40805 42125 42335 42123 42205

42210 44073 43313

 

I might be able to make enquiries re your preferred dates.

 

Trust this gives you an idea anyway

 

Regards

 

Nick

 

Hi Nick,

 

That's close enough for me, many thanks for your information, i'll have a read through it and make a decision as to which set to use, doubt they would have changed much in the time.

 

Thanks and regards

 

Roy