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Hi, Here's the couple of photos I mentioned - I'm not certain where I got them from - I made copy negs probably 50 years ago! - They were copied from photos that came either from Michael Pope, who was the laboratory assistant at Rye Grammar School and lived near Doleham halt (I believe his mother had some connection with the railway) or from the proprietor of Landgate Cameras in Rye , Robert de st Croix. cheers Richard

Are these of any interest to you.... (I was brought up in nearby Rye...) regards Richard

I suspect that BC drew it from photos and leading dimensions. This is a Bagnall GA of Sipat herself, lifted from Station Road Steam website. Different valve gear and smoke box saddle, but probably otherwise very close to Brede.

Extraordinary work. Your creativity and problem solving abilities never cease to amaze me. Fantastic!

Thanks Dave, I can't recall if I've ever made a loco without some copperclad, it's a big thankyou to the electronics industry for creating something so useful for us model makers.

Innovative design and workmanship as ever Snitzl. The round spoke wheels are very fine. Clever idea with the split body pony, isn't copperclad wonderful stuff.

Mmm, just thinking the sentinel would be good in 16mm NG using the nylon chains (from Branchlines) like wot I used on my 1904 Pickering steam railcar in 7mm scale On dear, I mustn't start yet another project......

Very good photos indeed! Thank you. Both are reproduced in the IRS Sussex & surrey handbook, where they are credited to George Alliez, who was a prolific photographer of industrial locos, and always kept really good notes - I've got a couple of prints from him, and they are carefully annotated on the back. The top one is S6894/1927, and the bottom S6900/1927, both new to County Borough of Hastings, and both used at both powdermill and Darwell Hole. The Darwell hole job included creating an aqueduct to Brede, so we might be on topic!

Dealing with a dead dobbin, especially one in a stable or stable block complex is not a pleasant task. Due to the sheer size and rigor-mortis, removal in many cases would only be possible if the animal was made into manageable sized pieces. There would be a larger "market" for raw horse flesh in those days than now. Many more hunts about each with dog packs, zoos would take such meat, as well as police dog kennels, and dubious meat pie makers........

On a more humanitarian (equinarian?) note, Midland Railway Study Centre Item 21060. The Midland had 3,384 horses at the end of 1889, well up from 2,698 in 1877. I assume there was a single number series for horses, not separate series for brown, grey, etc. No doubt there was some local naming.

In another topic, covering the supply and carriage of horses, I noted I'm not sure the figures add up, but with a suggestion of around 150,000 working horses in London, and one dealer handling 25,000 dead horses a year, that suggests a working life of only around three years.

Some notes, 5100, ex 3100 née 99 seems to have had the small sloping water tank all her life. Its visible in photographs of 99, when she had a vertical back on the bunker. The 3111s all seem to have had the higher flat topped (at least at the sides) tank from new which was unchanged when the bunker extension was added. The 3150s that were built with water pickup apparatus (3166-70) had the vertical section at the back of the tank as shown which accommodated piping for the water pickup apparatus. After the gear was removed and the bunker extended these tanks were altered with a sloping top section of the style shown in the other sketch. At least some, if not all of the 3150s built without water pickup apparatus, both before and after 3166-70, also had the upward extension of the tank. The tank style on diagram A13 for the Collett 3100 doesn't seem to have been constructed on any of the class. Another demonstration of why its wise to be wary of weight diagrams. Photographs show the 3100s with the style shown in the other graphic, presumably unchanged from their previous incarnation as 3150s.

Aha! What's brown and sounds like a bell? Dung!

Doorways to houses and shops used to have an iron boot scraper by the front door so that you could scrape off whatever you'd trodden in.