muddy water Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Does anyone have pictures or information of class 465 EMU being delivered new from works by diesels?. I am cutting and shutting some Hornby Class 466s to make class 465. As they will be unpowered I will need a diesel and barrier/ translator carriages to make up a train. Livery and type of carriages is what I am looking for in the period 1990 to 1992. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 There are some barrier/translator coaches pictured on this archive thread: http://rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22378 Although not actually coupled to any networkers, they are at York. I eventually found them by a google search for "networker" NSE barrier Don't seem to be many pics out there though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Ha. Found some more via Flickr's search: https://www.flickr.com/photos/locohunter/15291887550/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/solent-rails/10446667913/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/solent-rails/10446532574/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/actonwellsjunction/16109580200/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted April 27, 2017 Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 Great work! Thank you! Nice to see different liveries of class 47s providing the traction! Large logo, NSE and Dutch. The barrier carriages appear to be in NSE, I guess promoting the new rolling stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Claude_Dreyfus Posted April 27, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 27, 2017 Go on, I challenge you to replicate that weathering on 47526! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 For hauling them dead there were only a small number of 47's that had been modified with the main air pipe pressure raised to ensure the parking brake was fully released for hauling dead! They also had to have ETS for working motor alternators on the Translator vehicles to operate the Westcode Brake on the units! Hence the name Translator as it was used to translate the Air Brake to Westcode, EP brake! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted April 27, 2017 Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 The trouble with Flickr is searching for specific items as people do not always tag photos. Here is some more, but can anyone identify the translator coaches? https://www.flickr.com/photos/124193440@N06/14777082833/in/photolist-jxpLVv-ovNpUe-bzDMoN-rAzNu9-qkbVdx-kCFfzi-8DW2YM-oudiG2-c1Qnah-hJxcFi-qUD13y-buyS6Y-frD4pp-nKcPug-eHPkVh-erf8U3-dzQbSC-7CHsyk-FUxWuD-a4pkNC-enhfWu-etrthY-a3SLpT-bsZHXm-FSN29J-JaxGb1-RpoHwE-FudDvs-QedFtg-Rdc49p-GBLBt8-Gs9seV-E7EwCX-PKm8Eu-QZh3Tw-GFWiFm-BUwkrj-N1A6DQ-KXiH35-L7z98V-kRPcaa-sJy3Qz-sYFPYQ-Lcc5vW-MwNnA6-LkTa1U-Pix5Bf-KNkCeF-LgXgfD-TDtBXE/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/nicjoynson/31339305444/in/photolist-qkbVdx-kCFfzi-8DW2YM-oudiG2-c1Qnah-hJxcFi-qUD13y-buyS6Y-frD4pp-nKcPug-eHPkVh-erf8U3-dzQbSC-7CHsyk-FUxWuD-a4pkNC-enhfWu-etrthY-a3SLpT-bsZHXm-FSN29J-JaxGb1-RpoHwE-FudDvs-QedFtg-Rdc49p-GBLBt8-Gs9seV-E7EwCX-PKm8Eu-QZh3Tw-GFWiFm-BUwkrj-N1A6DQ-KXiH35-L7z98V-kRPcaa-sJy3Qz-sYFPYQ-Lcc5vW-MwNnA6-LkTa1U-Pix5Bf-KNkCeF-LgXgfD-TDtBXE-PoWuvY-LdYnTd-emRATi-d9WFu2 https://www.flickr.com/photos/nicjoynson/32299436395/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/d1059/22009024942/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted April 27, 2017 Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 Found these numbers on http://www.abrail.co.uk/lhspassengerdetail.htm 6376 AW51 MUBV ADB975973 S TO PTR MBCS PTR COL Translator Vehicle 6377 AW51 MUBV ADB975975 S TO PTR MBCS PTR COL Translator Vehicle 6378 AW51 MUBV ADB975971 S TO PTR MBCS PTR COL Translator Vehicle 6379 AW51 MUBV ADB975972 S TO PTR MBCS PTR COL Translator Vehicle These appear to be mark 1 carriages that over time they had windows plated over. Then eventually a smoother skin applied. The first number is what they carry now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Bendall Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Does anyone have pictures or information of class 465 EMU being delivered new from works by diesels?. Livery and type of carriages is what I am looking for in the period 1990 to 1992. The translators used by NSE were ADB975864/867/875, ADB975971-978 (although IIRC two of this series weren't) and ADB977087. Pictures of most of these can be found at http://www.departmentals.com The trouble with Flickr is searching for specific items as people do not always tag photos. Here is some more, but can anyone identify the translator coaches? https://www.flickr.com/photos/124193440@N06/14777082833/in/photolist-jxpLVv-ovNpUe-bzDMoN-rAzNu9-qkbVdx-kCFfzi-8DW2YM-oudiG2-c1Qnah-hJxcFi-qUD13y-buyS6Y-frD4pp-nKcPug-eHPkVh-erf8U3-dzQbSC-7CHsyk-FUxWuD-a4pkNC-enhfWu-etrthY-a3SLpT-bsZHXm-FSN29J-JaxGb1-RpoHwE-FudDvs-QedFtg-Rdc49p-GBLBt8-Gs9seV-E7EwCX-PKm8Eu-QZh3Tw-GFWiFm-BUwkrj-N1A6DQ-KXiH35-L7z98V-kRPcaa-sJy3Qz-sYFPYQ-Lcc5vW-MwNnA6-LkTa1U-Pix5Bf-KNkCeF-LgXgfD-TDtBXE/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/nicjoynson/31339305444/in/photolist-qkbVdx-kCFfzi-8DW2YM-oudiG2-c1Qnah-hJxcFi-qUD13y-buyS6Y-frD4pp-nKcPug-eHPkVh-erf8U3-dzQbSC-7CHsyk-FUxWuD-a4pkNC-enhfWu-etrthY-a3SLpT-bsZHXm-FSN29J-JaxGb1-RpoHwE-FudDvs-QedFtg-Rdc49p-GBLBt8-Gs9seV-E7EwCX-PKm8Eu-QZh3Tw-GFWiFm-BUwkrj-N1A6DQ-KXiH35-L7z98V-kRPcaa-sJy3Qz-sYFPYQ-Lcc5vW-MwNnA6-LkTa1U-Pix5Bf-KNkCeF-LgXgfD-TDtBXE-PoWuvY-LdYnTd-emRATi-d9WFu2 https://www.flickr.com/photos/nicjoynson/32299436395/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/d1059/22009024942/ Pic 1 is either ADB975974 or ADB975978 in current day Arlington guise. Pics 2 and 3 don't have translators, not needed for coupling to EPBs and other slam door stock. Pic 4 is two of the ADB975971-978 batch by the looks of it. Found these numbers on http://www.abrail.co.uk/lhspassengerdetail.htm 6376 AW51 MUBV ADB975973 S TO PTR MBCS PTR COL Translator Vehicle 6377 AW51 MUBV ADB975975 S TO PTR MBCS PTR COL Translator Vehicle 6378 AW51 MUBV ADB975971 S TO PTR MBCS PTR COL Translator Vehicle 6379 AW51 MUBV ADB975972 S TO PTR MBCS PTR COL Translator Vehicle These appear to be mark 1 carriages that over time they had windows plated over. Then eventually a smoother skin applied. The first number is what they carry now. These four were taken on by Porterbrook upon privatisation and repainted in purple/white. The renumbering into the 6376-79 series came in 2003 and they were repainted in blue in 2010-11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted April 28, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 28, 2017 The 63xx numbers were used so certain departmental vehicles could be put on the POIS system. This was because although they were dept. stock, they required 'main-line' maintenance standards - other vehicles included the generator vans used on the Sleepers in the days of cl. 37 haulage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Looking at the pictures they have either added a second double door to a brake end coach or added a full sized window to a BG. Did they need to do this to fit equipment or was there another reason? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Looking at the pictures they have either added a second double door to a brake end coach or added a full sized window to a BG. Did they need to do this to fit equipment or was there another reason? I do wonder if they had another departmental use before being used as translator vehicles that may have required a different arrangement. I don't think the window configuration was important, which may be why there is such a wide variety! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted April 29, 2017 Author Share Posted April 29, 2017 What time period were these coaches used in? As they have all their windows uncovered and gangways still intact. http://www.invictamodelrail.com/bargain-39-001x-exclusive-limited-edition-39-001x-exclusive-nse-translator-coach-pack-3146-p.asp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Bendall Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 What time period were these coaches used in? As they have all their windows uncovered and gangways still intact. http://www.invictamodelrail.com/bargain-39-001x-exclusive-limited-edition-39-001x-exclusive-nse-translator-coach-pack-3146-p.asp Late 1980s to very early 1990s with windows unmodified. Gangways shouldn't be present but that would mean a tooling mod. http://www.departmentals.com/photo/975875a http://www.departmentals.com/photo/975875b http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielhwright/10688002764 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted April 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 29, 2017 it's all very high-tech now! I remember in the 80s, the 455s, 507s etc being diesel hauled with only match wagons to 'convert' the couplings. They were unfitted workings so presumably only 35 mph or so and had brake vans (although there were some brake vans with the required coupling at one end which did away with the need for separate match wagons) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 it's all very high-tech now! I remember in the 80s, the 455s, 507s etc being diesel hauled with only match wagons to 'convert' the couplings. They were unfitted workings so presumably only 35 mph or so and had brake vans (although there were some brake vans with the required coupling at one end which did away with the need for separate match wagons) Case in point: a formation at Sileby (N of Leicester) in 1985: 25, goods brake van, Mk1, 2x455, Mk1, goods brake van. It's on the goods lines, being overtaken by a ballast train on the main lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 The mk1's in that train presumably have couplings compatible with the 455. It could even be the same coaches possibly before they were fitted with equipment to operate the EMU's brakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted April 29, 2017 Author Share Posted April 29, 2017 Late 1980s to very early 1990s with windows unmodified. Gangways shouldn't be present but that would mean a tooling mod. That is good to hear. I though it was just Bachmann adding an extra transfer to the side of a over ordered production run of mk1 bsk to get rid of them!!! There have been a lot of 'generic' rolling stock in the past, but I did not think Bachmann played that game! The average collector will not know about the incorrect gangway end, so will not worry. The serious modeller will have to do some modelling and not just open the box and place the carriage on the track! (where is that carving knife?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 To a modeller like me who doesn't mind carving plastic and painting it black afterwards but runs scared at the thought of painting complex liveries and getting transfers on straight they are ideal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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