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Does anyone have pictures or information of class 465 EMU being delivered new from works by diesels?.

I am cutting and shutting some Hornby

Class 466s to make class 465. As they will be unpowered I will need a diesel and barrier/ translator carriages to make up a train.

 

Livery and type of carriages is what I am looking for in the period 1990 to 1992.

Thank you.

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There are some barrier/translator coaches pictured on this archive thread:

http://rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22378

 

Although not actually coupled to any networkers, they are at York.

 

I eventually found them by a google search for 

"networker" NSE barrier

 

Don't seem to be many pics out there though...

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For hauling them dead there were only a small number of 47's that had been modified with the main air pipe pressure raised to ensure the parking brake was fully released for hauling dead!

 

They also had to have ETS for working motor alternators on the Translator vehicles to operate the Westcode Brake on the units!

 

Hence the name Translator as it was used to translate the Air Brake to Westcode, EP brake!

 

Mark Saunders

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Found these numbers on

 

http://www.abrail.co.uk/lhspassengerdetail.htm

 6376   AW51    MUBV     ADB975973 S     TO       PTR      MBCS    PTR       COL     Translator Vehicle 6377   AW51    MUBV     ADB975975 S     TO       PTR      MBCS    PTR       COL     Translator Vehicle        6378   AW51    MUBV     ADB975971 S     TO       PTR      MBCS    PTR       COL     Translator Vehicle         6379   AW51    MUBV     ADB975972 S     TO       PTR      MBCS    PTR       COL     Translator Vehicle        

These appear to be mark 1 carriages that over time they had windows plated over. Then eventually a smoother skin applied.

The first number is what they carry now.

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Does anyone have pictures or information of class 465 EMU being delivered new from works by diesels?.

Livery and type of carriages is what I am looking for in the period 1990 to 1992.

 

The translators used by NSE were ADB975864/867/875, ADB975971-978 (although IIRC two of this series weren't) and ADB977087. Pictures of most of these can be found at http://www.departmentals.com

 

The trouble with Flickr is searching for specific items as people do not always tag photos.

 

Here is some more, but can anyone identify the translator coaches?

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/124193440@N06/14777082833/in/photolist-jxpLVv-ovNpUe-bzDMoN-rAzNu9-qkbVdx-kCFfzi-8DW2YM-oudiG2-c1Qnah-hJxcFi-qUD13y-buyS6Y-frD4pp-nKcPug-eHPkVh-erf8U3-dzQbSC-7CHsyk-FUxWuD-a4pkNC-enhfWu-etrthY-a3SLpT-bsZHXm-FSN29J-JaxGb1-RpoHwE-FudDvs-QedFtg-Rdc49p-GBLBt8-Gs9seV-E7EwCX-PKm8Eu-QZh3Tw-GFWiFm-BUwkrj-N1A6DQ-KXiH35-L7z98V-kRPcaa-sJy3Qz-sYFPYQ-Lcc5vW-MwNnA6-LkTa1U-Pix5Bf-KNkCeF-LgXgfD-TDtBXE/

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nicjoynson/31339305444/in/photolist-qkbVdx-kCFfzi-8DW2YM-oudiG2-c1Qnah-hJxcFi-qUD13y-buyS6Y-frD4pp-nKcPug-eHPkVh-erf8U3-dzQbSC-7CHsyk-FUxWuD-a4pkNC-enhfWu-etrthY-a3SLpT-bsZHXm-FSN29J-JaxGb1-RpoHwE-FudDvs-QedFtg-Rdc49p-GBLBt8-Gs9seV-E7EwCX-PKm8Eu-QZh3Tw-GFWiFm-BUwkrj-N1A6DQ-KXiH35-L7z98V-kRPcaa-sJy3Qz-sYFPYQ-Lcc5vW-MwNnA6-LkTa1U-Pix5Bf-KNkCeF-LgXgfD-TDtBXE-PoWuvY-LdYnTd-emRATi-d9WFu2

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nicjoynson/32299436395/

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/d1059/22009024942/

 

Pic 1 is either ADB975974 or ADB975978 in current day Arlington guise. Pics 2 and 3 don't have translators, not needed for coupling to EPBs and other slam door stock. Pic 4 is two of the ADB975971-978 batch by the looks of it.

 

Found these numbers on

 

http://www.abrail.co.uk/lhspassengerdetail.htm

 6376   AW51    MUBV     ADB975973 S     TO       PTR      MBCS    PTR       COL     Translator Vehicle 6377   AW51    MUBV     ADB975975 S     TO       PTR      MBCS    PTR       COL     Translator Vehicle        6378   AW51    MUBV     ADB975971 S     TO       PTR      MBCS    PTR       COL     Translator Vehicle         6379   AW51    MUBV     ADB975972 S     TO       PTR      MBCS    PTR       COL     Translator Vehicle        

These appear to be mark 1 carriages that over time they had windows plated over. Then eventually a smoother skin applied.

The first number is what they carry now.

 

These four were taken on by Porterbrook upon privatisation and repainted in purple/white. The renumbering into the 6376-79 series came in 2003 and they were repainted in blue in 2010-11.

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The 63xx numbers were used so certain departmental vehicles could be put on the POIS system. This was because although they were dept. stock, they required 'main-line' maintenance standards - other vehicles included the generator vans used on the Sleepers in the days of cl. 37 haulage

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Looking at the pictures they have either added a second double door to a brake end coach or added a full sized window to a BG. Did they need to do this to fit equipment or was there another reason?

 

I do wonder if they had another departmental use before being used as translator vehicles that may have required a different arrangement. I don't think the window configuration was important, which may be why there is such a wide variety! 

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What time period were these coaches used in?

 

As they have all their windows uncovered and gangways still intact.

 

http://www.invictamodelrail.com/bargain-39-001x-exclusive-limited-edition-39-001x-exclusive-nse-translator-coach-pack-3146-p.asp

 

Late 1980s to very early 1990s with windows unmodified. Gangways shouldn't be present but that would mean a tooling mod.

http://www.departmentals.com/photo/975875a

http://www.departmentals.com/photo/975875b

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielhwright/10688002764

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it's all very high-tech now! I remember in the 80s, the 455s, 507s etc being diesel hauled with only match wagons to 'convert' the couplings. They were unfitted workings so presumably only 35 mph or so and had brake vans (although there were some brake vans with the required coupling at one end which did away with the need for separate match wagons)

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it's all very high-tech now! I remember in the 80s, the 455s, 507s etc being diesel hauled with only match wagons to 'convert' the couplings. They were unfitted workings so presumably only 35 mph or so and had brake vans (although there were some brake vans with the required coupling at one end which did away with the need for separate match wagons)

Case in point: a formation at Sileby (N of Leicester) in 1985: 25, goods brake van, Mk1, 2x455, Mk1, goods brake van.

It's on the goods lines, being overtaken by a ballast train on the main lines.

post-6971-0-16188400-1493497178.jpg

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Late 1980s to very early 1990s with windows unmodified. Gangways shouldn't be present but that would mean a tooling mod.

 

That is good to hear. I though it was just Bachmann adding an extra transfer to the side of a over ordered production run of mk1 bsk to get rid of them!!!

There have been a lot of 'generic' rolling stock in the past, but I did not think Bachmann played that game!

 

The average collector will not know about the incorrect gangway end, so will not worry.

The serious modeller will have to do some modelling and not just open the box and place the carriage on the track! (where is that carving knife?)

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