Mark 37 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Well I've decided to do some work on loco's whilst I waite for Model Rail Scotland. Some, if not most will be trial and error (may be more of the later). I have read and digested lots of topics (probably too many to take in). My first venture is a Heljan class 47 Blue departmental small logo to BR Blue large logo. Thought I would start with this before trying to tackle a class 37 Dutch livery too large logo (waiting on tanyma masking tape coming). Well I've completed the warning panels today, whilst I'm waiting on it drying, does anyone have a good tip for painting domino codes'? I've been trying to work out how to mask the dots and I have drawn a blank. I have maskol fluid and thought of putting two dots on it in position. The 2 issues I see ahead are; 1, Dots being iregular in size/shape. 2, I havn't used this product in 20 years, but from memory it does not leave a clean edge (yes testing on scrape will answer that). Anyway, looking for some help from a well seasoned veterain of re spraying. Kind regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Dominoes? PM me and I'll mail you some Foxy ones in their little plastic packet. Now I've rowed back into the sixties I have no need for them.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 Dominoes? PM me and I'll mail you some Foxy ones in their little plastic packet. Now I've rowed back into the sixties I have no need for them.... Many thank, what a kind offer. PM on it's way. Best regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 Well here is the work done today. Yellow warning panels done and grey roof. The edges are not to bad, considering I've used house hold masking tape. The black windows looks like a whole new kettle of fish. Any pointers would be useful. My other question is, is there a way of taking the double arrow off (I thought my depot logos would cover it), without damaging paint? On compairing the blue it with the rest of my fleet it's a very close match. Best regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Hiya Large logo on a 47 still with headcode blinds and no H.I. headlight? Are you sure? Which one are you doing? Cheers Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 Hiya Large logo on a 47 still with headcode blinds and no H.I. headlight? Are you sure? Which one are you doing? Cheers Jim Be gentle with me. 636, I knew about the headlight, but to be honest mate, I bought one from ebay and it was a peice of . So the wee yin want's a replacement with a doggie on the side. You lot are suposed to be encouraging, blind talent like me...... :rofl_mini: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Hi Mark They are not dominoes - they are marker lights painted black. Did your original have marker lights? If not you can get the panels from Shawplan. You can get the headlight from replica (shawplan stock them too). Spray it away from the loco so the yellows match and you should be fine. HTH Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 Hi Mark They are not dominoes - they are marker lights painted black. Did your original have marker lights? If not you can get the panels from Shawplan. You can get the headlight from replica (shawplan stock them too). Spray it away from the loco so the yellows match and you should be fine. HTH Jim Thanks mate! I have no idea when it comes to loco's (almost called it trains....he...he), can you tell?. It came with route panels, so need marker lights (note to self). Regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 Hey, I just noticed my Model Rail Scotland shopping list is in the back ground. Don't tell the wife! Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 92912 Posted February 10, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2011 Hiya Large logo on a 47 still with headcode blinds and no H.I. headlight? Are you sure? Which one are you doing? Cheers Jim Hi, At least one large logo 47 ran without a H.I. headlight, unfortunately I didn't get a photo of the other end so can't say if that end had one or not. http://jpsgallery.fotopic.net/p45862259.html JP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 Hi, At least one large logo 47 ran without a H.I. headlight, unfortunately I didn't get a photo of the other end so can't say if that end had one or not. http://jpsgallery.fo.../p45862259.html JP Thanks for that, I new I saw that pic some where. Also some time over the last week trolling through thousands of pictures I actualy saw a large logo 47 with out full yellow ends. There are so many variations to large logo, even over 37. Regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 Hi, I have some plastic and brass rod here. Can some one give me the diamiter and depth of the marker lights? I may be able to knock them up if I had the sizes. Thanks, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 92912 Posted February 10, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2011 Thanks for that, I new I saw that pic some where. Also some time over the last week trolling through thousands of pictures I actualy saw a large logo 47 with out full yellow ends. There are so many variations to large logo, even over 37. Regards, Mark 577 was "standard" blue with large numbers, logo and dog if that helps http://jpsgallery.fotopic.net/p45833682.html JP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 577 was "standard" blue with large numbers, logo and dog if that helps http://jpsgallery.fo.../p45833682.html JP JP, That's the one I had intended doing so that I did not have to try and mask between the cab front and roof for the black. When I searched again I couldn't find it, so thought I must have seen it on a railfrieght livery and thought I must have imagined it. :wacko: Thanks, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 I have just been going through more 47 photos and came across this one. http://jpsgallery.fotopic.net/p47139956.html I presume this in on it's way to being an executive livery? Thanks, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveC46026 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I have just been going through more 47 photos and came across this one. http://jpsgallery.fo.../p47139956.html I presume this in on it's way to being an executive livery? Thanks, Mark HI Mark 47407 ran in this livery up til August 86 i think when it was repainted at Crewe into large logo! I saw it in 85 like this but not sure when it got its odd-ball livery! Strange being a gateshead loco as a crest was noramlly the only embelishment and a deep coat of grime! Doesn't beat 47361's odd coat of paint though! http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v2.php?img=0626020315000 Regards Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 HI Mark 47407 ran in this livery up til August 86 i think when it was repainted at Crewe into large logo! I saw it in 85 like this but not sure when it got its odd-ball livery! Strange being a gateshead loco as a crest was noramlly the only embelishment and a deep coat of grime! Doesn't beat 47361's odd coat of paint though! http://www.class47.c...g=0626020315000 Regards Dave Thanks, I think I need to digest 47 631 for a while before I decide if I like it or not. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Well I've done the decals, so tomorrow it will be varnish and some time over the weekend I hope to put it together. I only got one photo before my battery died. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted May 13, 2011 Author Share Posted May 13, 2011 The number's in the above photo look good, but they ended up drying in a way that showed the film. I have since re-done them using Fox numbers. The photo below shows them (still a bit wet). I have notice the Westie is a bit dirty in colouration compared to the ones I removed. I've made a couple of attempts at the orange linning strip (what a nightmare). I'm off to finish re-numbering a couple of loco's in order to make them Eastfield based. Regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_efc Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Thats looks really good Mark. I would be very happy with that! One quick question did you airbrush or hand brush the loco? Its a very good finish so i would assume airbrush. Which yellow have you used? Im on a constant quest to find suitable yellows as everything i try seems to be very anemic even with priming etc. But again brilliant job. Cheers, Scott. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted May 16, 2011 Author Share Posted May 16, 2011 Scott, Thanks for those positive comments. I am pleased as a first attempt. You are correct it has been airbrushed, the yellow colour is railmatch warning panel yellow. Against my other loco's Bachmann and Hornby it is a very close match. Best regards, Mark Name plates have arrived this morning. And following on from comments above, the front spot light has been added too. Although they can't be seen in the photo. If I can just get the orange lining on that will tidy the roof edge up. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Hi Mark, Did you try varnish to remove the carrier film? if you give your loco a coat of varnish that usually disguises the carrier film, and blends it into the locomotives' finnish. Marker light wise I *think* the lenses will need to be around 1.8mm? im doing marker lights too for a friends 47, so if you get the dimensions of the lights could you give us a shout? HTH NL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 Hi Mark, Did you try varnish to remove the carrier film? if you give your loco a coat of varnish that usually disguises the carrier film, and blends it into the locomotives' finnish. Marker light wise I *think* the lenses will need to be around 1.8mm? im doing marker lights too for a friends 47, so if you get the dimensions of the lights could you give us a shout? HTH NL The way I disguised the film was to add a little body colour under the decals, then varnished. They actually look worse in the picture than real life. I don't have any 47's to hand and I'm on my way out for the day. I will look for you tomorrow for the diamiter. The way I done mine. Put a strip of masking tape onto some plasticard. Use a disk punch like this (not this particular brand or web site). Lift the disk of masking tape off with knife and mask where lights are, spray. Job done. Best regards, Mark If noone gives you the diamiter, I'll look tomorrow! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted July 4, 2011 Author Share Posted July 4, 2011 We have a triple grey coal sector livery Bachmann (image below) that my son did not like very much. No dog on the side (I've trained him well). I have a collection of large logos that I saw in my childhood and within reason all other locos are modern day (things he is most likely too see, mainly 66's, 57's and Pondilenos). The idea behind this is to try and keep his interest in model rail but with such a large collection of 37's (OK, 5 or 6 maybe more....dont tell the wife) I wanted a livery he is likely to come across. So the coal sector had to go for something with a dog. What could be better than "Loch Arkaig"? Knowing these are now out of stock and when they come up on Ebay with prices that far exceed my budget. I asked for some help from fellow RMwebers for colour and decal suppliers (thanks to all who helped!) and this weekend I set about my second respray. It is not out of the works yet, but not far from it and I thought I would share how far I've got (images below). Just a coat of varnish (possibly tonight before bed or first thing in the morning) and to fit the windows back in (a photo will follow when it's complete). Before...... 36 hours later...... I hope you like? Best regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 37 Posted July 4, 2011 Author Share Posted July 4, 2011 Hi all, Well my balloon has slightly deflated as it has been rightly pointed out my nose grills are wrong for this particular 37, AAAaarrrgghhhh. That's OK though, my son loved it when he came back from his holiday weekend with the grand parents. I'll just need to remind myself about the look on his face every time I look at those nose grilles. On a plus side the orange linning is sweet (blowing my own trumpet) . I have added the only side profile shot of the full loco I could find on the web to show what I worked from. Still can't believe I missed the grilles, oh well you live and learn. It's just one more step in the right direction to a rail modeller virgin like myself. Could you imagine the mistakes I'd be making without the help of RMweb forum? I shudder to think. Best regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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