P.C.M Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Hi all, I am sure someone on here can help me out. I am planning on doing a model of Eastfield based class 47617, can anyone tell me what size numbers this loco had, as some Scottish based locos had the smaller class 37 numbers. I have looked at a few pics of the loco and can't really tell. Cheers Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Have you checked here: http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_search.php?number=47617&livery=2&output=t ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 Have you checked here: http://www.class47.c...very=2&output=t ? Thanks Chard, Been there a few times, it's a very useful site for the Duffs. The side on pics do look like the loco has the smaller numbers but I am still not sure. Cheers Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I think Flood is your man for this one but, if my memory serves me well enough... '617 did indeed have the smaller numbers and I think that to achieve the correct look for those, you use Fox Gauge 1 TOPS numbers (as in those that would be applied to a BR Blue loco). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 47617 had its Large Logo Blue livery applied by Eastfield Depot This was one of a small number of locos which had the livery applied by the depot, and after a serious mistake on 47578 they were warned not to perform any more They can be recognised by the black window surrounds extending to the doors and the smaller numbers as applied to Class 37 locos However, 47578 was most recognisable due to the incorrectly applied BR double arrow (as explained above) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Hi Peter, Yep, they're the slightly smaller numbers. I got mine from Precision Decals (on recommendation from Mark (MRDBlue17): http://www.precisiondecals.com/ Send them some shots of the loco(s) you want and they'll soon sort you out. Cheers, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I think Flood is your man for this one but, if my memory serves me well enough... '617 did indeed have the smaller numbers and I think that to achieve the correct look for those, you use Fox Gauge 1 TOPS numbers (as in those that would be applied to a BR Blue loco). Cheers mate! Looks to me like 47617 has the smaller numbers. Fox transfer sheet F10310. Gauge 1 cab side numbers - perfect for OO transfers of the smaller large logo numbers used on 37s and some Scottish 47s. Photo previously posted (standard Fox large logo numbers on 47650): Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 Thanks for the help everyone, Hi Raffles, Thanks for the info on transfers, would it be worth doing a thread on the class 47 group with what locos had the smaller numbers? Hi mjkerr, I hadn't noticed the extra black around the doors before, I will have to make sure I do that. Hi Dave, I got my Gateshead crests from Precision decals so will give them a try if my Replica rub on numbers aren't the right size. Hi Flood, Thanks for posting up the pics, could I be a pain and ask what the height of the small numbers is, as I said to Dave I have some Replica rub on large numbers for class 47s and 37s I am just wondering if they are the right size. I would save me some money if they are. Cheers Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 About 4.8 - 4.9mm compared to the usual size of 5.5mm. Please note I put the wrong reference number down last night, I've now corrected it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 ...one of a small number of locos which had the livery applied by the depot, and after a serious mistake on 47578 they were warned not to perform any more They can be recognised by the black window surrounds extending to the doors and the smaller numbers as applied to Class 37 locos However, 47578 was most recognisable due to the incorrectly applied BR double arrow (as explained above) Low res photo of my model of 47578 but it does show the extended black on the cab door windows and the hideous BR sign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 47641 originally had the standard size numbers (same as 47650) as both locos were overhauled at Crewe, having their Large Logo Blue livery applied there On one side the nameplate meant they had no choice but to apply the smaller numbers However Eastfield painted over them on the other side for the naming of Fife Region, the original numbers were just visible after a few months Look at the gap between the 4 and the loco data panel, on original it is quite small, but on revised it is larger Compare original : http://www.scot-rail...scaled/6001.jpg Compare revised : http://www.class47.c...g=0681010468000 I also have a photo if its naming at Kirkcaldy, again the previous numbers can just be seen on the affected side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted July 9, 2011 Author Share Posted July 9, 2011 Thanks again Flood, I am a happy boy, I measured my Replica rub on numbers and they a spot on. Now I just need to order the loco. All this talk on numbers has bought up another question though, I had a look at my Bachmann 37/4 and my Vitrains 37/4 the numbers are the larger size, I thought that this mat be wrong but I have had a look at some pics and I am thinking that being as the 37/4s were repainted at Crewe could it be that they have the larger numbers? I found a pic I took of 47578, I must admit I hadn't noticed the double arrows before. Cheers Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9-70 Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 In the above photo I made at Sheffield 14-07-1988 clearly shows the No.3 to be smaller than the rest of the numbers applied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I had a look at my Bachmann 37/4 and my Vitrains 37/4 the numbers are the larger size, I thought that this mat be wrong but I have had a look at some pics and I am thinking that being as the 37/4s were repainted at Crewe could it be that they have the larger numbers? I have been looking at early photos of the 37/4 in Large Logo Blue and can confirm they have the smaller numbers Example : http://www.flickr.com/photos/mike_sargent/5812926666/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/robert55012/5586281399/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted July 9, 2011 Author Share Posted July 9, 2011 I have been looking at early photos of the 37/4 in Large Logo Blue and can confirm they have the smaller numbers Example : http://www.flickr.co...ent/5812926666/ http://www.flickr.co...012/5586281399/ You are right they do look like the small numbers, what do the think about this one. Cheers Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I think the early 37/4s were released with hand painted numbers - before the correct size transfers were available. 37408 Crewe Works 110885 37410 Manchester Victoria 071085 The size of the final transfers can be compared between a Crewe/Eastfield 37424 Queen Street 0388 and a Crewe/Canton 37430 Shrewsbury 070686 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I would recommend concentrating on specific locos, than numbers in general For example 37420 With regards to the numbers on 37424, they look like they have been applied by Eastfield depot specific for the naming Compare the photo of the loco when released from Crewe I've tried to find close ups, but nothing conclusive (yet) 37424 just after release from Crewe : http://www.flickr.co...N06/4584374884/ http://www.flickr.co...nie/5742889266/ 37420 loco before nameplates were applied http://www.flickr.com/photos/qb31/5222313618/ (1986) The numbers look the same size as the others based at IS However compare : http://www.flickr.co...106/5759158501/ (1987) http://www.flickr.co...jct/5726228904/ (1988) Definitely looks like it has had a repaint between the two... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share Posted July 10, 2011 Hi Derek, Great pics as per usual, very useful. Hi mjkerr, Thanks again, It would seem there is no real pattern with what locos had what size numbers. I think it best to do as you said and find a pic of the specific loco that you want to do. Cheers Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Hi Derek, Great pics as per usual, very useful. Hi mjkerr, Thanks again, It would seem there is no real pattern with what locos had what size numbers. I think it best to do as you said and find a pic of the specific loco that you want to do. Cheers Peter. Thanks Peter, Whilst on the subject the 'odd' 7 on 37424 above which other 37s did it appear on besides 37408 (early 90s) 37425 (2006) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Since we are on about the 7 digit Take a look at this : http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v2.php?img=0681010469000 This was the last loco from Crewe outshopped with this original type of 7, thereafter they were the other version I suspect that during this final batch of Class 47/4 conversions they were running out of numbers and using up existing stock, as they started off with the larger version, but some locos ended up with the smaller version, and some were even mixed A decision was obviously made after 47633 to make sure they used only one size per side The numbers on Class 37/4 locos do indeed look painted, but they are vinyls Although I do agree 37408 looks painted http://www.flickr.com/photos/dwbphotos/4849176447/ Seems rather strange to replace the 7 for a short period of time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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