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SS Thistlegorm


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A recent diving holiday to the Red Sea gave me the opportunity to dive the wreck of the SS Thistlegorm.  From a railway interest perspective the cargo included two Stanier 8F locomotives and tenders, and two 6 wheeled tankers for use as water carriers. This was all intended for use on Egyptian Railways. The SS Thistlegorm sank on 6th October 1941 after being hit by bombs dropped from enemy aircraft..

 

The locomotives, which were blown clear of the deck, lie in 30 metres of water  either side of the ship. The weather was cloudy so the lack of sunlight made for some gloomy conditions on the sea bed.

 

 

An overall picture of one of the engines. This is the closest locomotives to the ship (about a 30 metre swim)

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Right hand front buffer complete with the remains of someones mooring rope.

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Left hand cylinder block.

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The remains of the left hand valve gear complete with front axle.

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Smoke box.

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Both tenders are still secured to the deck of the ship

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The tenders are located toward the front of the ship. The locomotives were originally located toward the rear of the ship and were thrown clear because (apparently) that is where the bombs hit and and exploded part of the cargo of ammunition.

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One of the two 6 wheel tankers still secured to the deck of the ship.

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Apparently the tankers were already sealed shut when the ship went down hence they were crushed over a period of time by the pressure of the depth of water.

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The other end.

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This tanker has square buffers!

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Going off topic but continuing my brief tour.

Penetrating the hull we come across this wash basin. Yes it is full of water but not much use for washing….

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One of the two deck guns.

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My buddy for the tour.

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Rifle containers (apparently)

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Total dive time was 45 minutes. I am already planning another trip because here is still so much more to see.

 
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  • 2 weeks later...

OK, who's up for a restoration job!

 

Brilliant pictures Emma. The shots provide a unique viewpoint of what happened when things went wrong in the operating conditions of WWII, and to still be able to see the items being transported relitivly intact is quite wonderful.

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Here are some more photographs of one the tenders. We didn't get much time to look in detail at the locomotive because of the depth (30m) which doesn't give much "no-stop" time as I was on a normal air mix. I can talk about "no-stop" times and the bends some other time. :yes:.

 

As mentioned previously, the tenders are still secured to the deck of the ship at about 20m which gives a more relaxed dive time. 9 souls lost their lives when the ship went down so the wreck is classified as a war grave and is therefore to be respected as such. This means only taking pictures and only leaving bubbles....

 

The distinctive outline of one of the tenders.

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Step and axle box detail (and the fin of another diver).

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Step and axle box detail.

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The coal space. It looks as though the fire bars were removed from the fire box and stored in the tender along with some spare parts or tools. Any ideas???? 

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At least I now know what to look out for on my next trip back to the Red Sea....

 

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Again, facinating shots Emma. That actually looks like a coupling rod on the right of the coal space as well.

 

EDIT: Darn it! Beaten to the post again (that's what happens when you take a break).

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I believe that more than one ship went down carrying 8F's, is it accessible like this?

 

Hi,

 

The Thistlegorm is the only one I know of that is diveable although the 30m depth of the locomotives is getting near the safe limits of recreational diving so you have to keep a very close eye on the dive time. I do believe there are some loco's and a lever frame somewhere in the Atlantic.

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Here are a few of my pics of the tenders and tank wagons from a dive this week. I was told by another diver that the tenders are actually welded to the deck. Can anyone confirm this? Clearly the port tank wagon is in a dangerous state as it's about to fall into the forward hold.

 

Starboard tender:

 

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Starboard tender:

 

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Starboard tank wagon:

 

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Starboard tank wagon:

 

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Port tank wagon:

 

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They're just the usual 14T tankers. The tenders look to be all in one piece but I'm sure they will simply be rust sculptures by now in that warm and salty environment, interesting to see though. I should imagine some of the castings like axleboxes etc. would possibly be alright but not worth the expense of getting them off.

 

Edward

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Railway Magazine done an article on railway locomotives lost at sea a few years ago. Apart from war losses there have been few if any in recent years largely due to more advanced marine navigation techniques.

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