Mark Saunders Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Does anyone have or know of a photograph of this type of Hopper with their original body? It appears to be a variant on the Charles Roberts 22 or 24 ton Ore Hopper but stretched! Photo taken in 1991 Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 I believe this is the 30 ton version built for internal use, a bit like the Stewarts & Lloyds tipplers! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 What do you think of this? Supposedly at Scunthorpe - there is the AP from Appleby Frodingham on the tank side. At first glance the underframes look similar. https://www.flickr.com/photos/schoman2/5755194873/in/set-72157626672287277 Edit: No - on closer inspection I can see it isn't long enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 What do you think of this? Supposedly at Scunthorpe - there is the AP from Appleby Frodingham on the tank side. At first glance the underframes look similar. https://www.flickr.com/photos/schoman2/5755194873/in/set-72157626672287277 Edit: No - on closer inspection I can see it isn't long enough. It would appear to be a variant on one of these an Appleby Frodingham Iron Ore Hopper, 197 is the one preserved at Scunthorpe! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Scaling off another photograph it would appear these are 20' over headstocks and 12' wheel base! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Do you know where it was used internally? A quarry wagon or a steelworks wagons? Lots of these oddballs coming out the woodwork now. Finding this really interesting. Dare mention MOT 21t iron ore wagons...?! (Appear to be LNER 21t hoppers, minus the bash plates - prob best to save for a seperate thread). EDIT - typo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Scaling off another photograph it would appear these are 20' over headstocks and 12' wheel base! Mark Saunders Would have to agree, counting the number of chairs/sleepers between the wheels = 5, whereas a 10ft 6" = 4 putting it in the 12ft category. Presumably it was of riveted construction...? Possible relation? Similar chassis, appears some standardisation was occurring, 12ft RCH chassis. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/foxfield/shelton20tonhopper.htm Same manufacture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Do you know where it was used internally? A quarry wagon or a steelworks wagons? Lots of these oddballs coming out the woodwork now. Finding this really interesting. Dare mention MOT 21t iron ore wagons...?! (Appear to be LNER 21t hoppers, minus the bash plates - prob best to save for a seperate thread). EDIT - typo Those MoT 21t hoppers are curious beasts. The chassis were apparently intended for wagons to accompany the BEF to France- most were intended to have van bodies fitted. A few got as far as France, then were left behind after Dunkirk- one chassis turned up at a private siding in the Loire valley (IIRC) a decade or so ago. Some more vehicles were sent to Egypt, but the majority of chassis ended up under these iron-ore hoppers. The detail on the running gear showed a lot of 'continental' influences; volute spring buffers, slope-fronted axleboxes and the way the springs were attached to the solebar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Do you know where it was used internally? A quarry wagon or a steelworks wagons? Lots of these oddballs coming out the woodwork now. Finding this really interesting. Dare mention MOT 21t iron ore wagons...?! (Appear to be LNER 21t hoppers, minus the bash plates - prob best to save for a seperate thread). EDIT - typo This one (there were six that I photographed) was in use at BSC Scunthorpe carrying Coke and working with the ex BR Coke hoppers! They were riveted apart from the body which was of all welded construction but appears to be taller than the 24 ton ore hopper but I believe this rebody is for Coke rather than Ore! The MoT hoppers deserve a topic all of their own as they are the same but different to the LNER ones and there were variations in those! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 This is a Coalite rebody of a MoS hopper! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Well look at that - 3 wagons with the same number…... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 Well look at that - 3 wagons with the same number…... That's what happens when you get Gremlins in! Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 20, 2015 Author Share Posted May 20, 2015 Scaling off another photograph it would appear these are 20' over headstocks and 12' wheel base! Mark Saunders I was looking elsewhere and thought that these may be the same chassis as the Stanton/LMS Cement Hoppers with a 19' 9" over headstocks chassis! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 This is a shot of one in later life minus it's body! Alas still no photographs of an original bodied version! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 Finally found in the HMRS collection! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 By streching the BR diagrams 1/161 22t & 1/162 24t diagrams to a 12' wb it gives a length over headstocks of 19' feet 6" inches! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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