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Small steps only with the Beattie, having read a thread I started when I bought the loco 3 years ago I think a couple of extra things need to be done with the body, all further updates on this loco will be through the original thread

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/99545-roxey-7-mm-beattie-well-tank/

Another couple of good things happened last night at the club, firstly they found a Hobby Holidays 7 mm chassis building jig (where it should have been in the 7 mm teams storrs locker) this was bought for members use, so  once I start stripping the chassis I can borrow the jig to rebuild it 

Next was whilst showing a Metal Models Siphon F kit I bought a sought advice on the best way to fit the 3 thick brass overlays to the Vans body, one member said I have a RSU why not borrow it, chatting on the way home with my friend who introduced me to the club and lives in the same village I told him, he said I have one of these that you can borrow.

First though is to get the Beattie further along, though I do need to start dismantling the Flatirons chassis to see what hornblocks I need to buy

To be perfectly honest I am not sure. The holes are 3mm in diameter, so what that is in inches I couldn't tell you, unfortunately, as although I work in feet and inches for large things (Baseboards, Full scale CAD models, etc) I work in mm for small scale stuff, including chassis (I work these out after scaling a model down.).

 

In truth, I have yet to build a chassis in the real world, but appreciated from the outset that some wouldn't be happy with the compromises incurred with an RTR chassis. I myself don't mind, but I know some people do.

Please forgive me but I am a little bit confused with this reply, reading it I get the impression that this chassis has not been tested as there is no mention of which wheels it has been designed for, no real issues with certain compromises providing the chassis works

Most 4 mm wheel suppliers use 1/8th  (3.17 mm) axles, for me 3 mm would not be an issue as I could use a parallel 1/8 reamer. However this causes another issue, with any chassis made from soft material, including thin walled brass sheet a top hat brass bearing is used. The thin part of the bearing has an OD of 3,7 mm and the wider part which extends on the outside the frames by about 1mm.

Photo of a top hat bearing

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Brass+model+railway+1/8+bearings&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSrp-Em9fZAhVMJcAKHUn2AusQ_AUICygC&biw=1366&bih=637#imgrc=1Mg3ZihdxD4OzM:

There is one company which sells 3 mm axles (used on converting RTR chassis). My one concern is the longevity of the chassis without any form of hardened bearings. 

As for compensation of the wheels mentioned in a later reply, the normal way of doing it is to use hornblocks (a form of bearing which slides up and down in/on a plastic hornguide or brass plate or guide)

Link to Brassmasters web page on hornblocks

http://www.clag.org.uk/brassmaster.html

Presumably 1/8th brass bearings need to be inserted into the axle holes ?

I reckon the latter is a job for Sparkshot!

 

Seaford will be happening in the summer.

 

In the meantime, the G6 chassis is currently being uploaded for EM!

Have you a link yet, and can it be bought please

In that case, may I ask how far apart you require the frames to be (at their outer edges)? I can easily adjust the chassis for EM: P4 even easier (extend it to match the drawing, though it wouldn't be compensated), so I'm open to doing that.

I have just measured one chassis and its 14 mm, that alows for the flange part of the top hat bearings. EM gauge wheels have a back to back of 16.5 mm

Looking at a set of Perseverance frame spacers 00 ones are 12 mm wide, EM 13.5 mm wide and P4 14.75 mm wide. The two side frames would add about 0.9 mm in total. So an EM chassis will be 14.4 mm wide 

Does one have to fit brass bearings into the frames ? Looking at the price quoted on Shapeways even taking the cost of a set of coupling rods into consideration this would be a massive win in kit building by having a square set of ready made frames

I have a Wills G6 on a R1 chassis, trouble is I want to EM gauge

Gordon

I have found even on C&L strips there is a slight burr, I always run a very fine polishing file over each strip prior to cutting, I guess the heat from soldering will flatten the burrs anyway

Good to hear you have your rail

Indeed - Seaford is on my CAD Schedule for over the summer, and may well feature in a 'Digest article. We'll see...

The G6 chassis looks interesting, what stage is it at please, and I see it has a price on it

I have one of these to build, and have lots of Laurie Griffin parts, I will watch your build with interest.

 

Ian G

Ian

What parts did you buy please, as I have mentioned I have decided to upgrade some parts and one area in question is the crossheads, it would be good to see Lauries also he does cylinder drain cocks, sadly his website has no photos.  I am trying to keep the costs down, but on the other hand some areas may not be worth skimping on. 

Thanks

Now have had time to read back through the thread, looks like I need a set of Archer rivets and make a water tank filler, must look at the plans I have and see if there is anything else I am missing. Plus work out where the wash out plugs go

Another interesting variant, which recieved a Stroudly cab roof is the Craven 2-2-2T  number 98 Seaford

https://www.google.co.uk/search?biw=1366&bih=637&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=6_ecWpwj6M2ABu_vtfAO&q=Craven+2-2-2T+loco+Seaford&oq=Craven+2-2-2T+loco+Seaford&gs_l=psy-ab.12...41862.44464.0.54015.6.6.0.0.0.0.58.292.6.6.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.rnzSnQkgPZY#imgrc=y5SwybPsQUiI-M:

I cane across this whilst sorting out some old pages of plans from early model railway mags, the plan is to S gauge scale so cannot get a direct comparison with a Terrier  5'6" driver and 3'6" leading and trailing wheels, Might be an interesting conversion project to either an old K's or a Hornby loco

See post 62 & 69 on Washbourne thread on here

Edit

THe plan for the loco comes from the Model Railway News July 1965, as this mag is long defunct can I upload it (that is if anyone is interested) without infringing any copyrights 

Twiggy

A lovely bit of modelling

How does the electronic system work in my Beamo loco, as its by far better than my locos with flywheels, which are in turn better than locos without flywheels ?

Was it 3 years ago that I last posted the Beattie on this thread, well 23 months ago we moved house and the Beattie has been in storage as my modelling facilities were very limited, 12 months ago we started our house extension which included a modelling room for me, After Christmas I started to populate my room, but was under medical orders only to do very light work, thankfully had a minor operation last Wednesday and all now seems fine

Well I have been posting on another thread for the past month the few advances I have made in recommencing the build. After joining a new model railway club and been adopted on to the 7 mm scale scale layout seeing sprung buffers working I relented and ordered some, plus some brass smokebox door darts and some machined coupling rods. Boiler bands fitted now time to start fitting the castings

The chassis has been painted, had fun with the motor mount (wish High Level did 7 mm gearboxes) and started to prep for pickups. As I said bought some machined coupling rods (far better than the etched ones) and quite disappointed with the whitemetal crossheads, so may buy some better offerings

Need to either build a small test plank or cameo layout, slowly building up some 7 mm stock, in the post yesterday was a Metal Models etched GWR siphon F, will look to get a bogie coach from Dave Ellis at Ally Pally in 3 weeks time 

Wow. Yeah, kind of a beast of mixed heritage then it seems if your hypothesis is correct. Either way it's interesting. And now I want it for the KLR. 

Would be far easier to make your own, to me the cab looks far too big for a small loco. would have been better giving it a bigger bunker and reducing the length of the cab

I have a file of old plans from early Model Railway News, Railway Modeler and Constructors and low and behold a large 7 mm scale plan of the Flatiron popped out, what a find, pleased is an understatement. Sadly could not find one for the Beattie well tank, still mu only real issue is the firebox wash out plugs and by using photos should be able to make a good stab at their positions

As for the plans I have also kept the plan pages from the Railway Modelers and Constructors I took down to the dump. Seems pointless keeping the GWR & SR loco plans other than large scale ones which I may keep for decoration, as I have the plans in various reference books. Perhaps I could make groups up and put them on eBay 

Looks like a grown up version of the Airfix station building !!!

Does anyone else really miss W&H? I must have spent hours pouring over their catalogues, dreaming/planning. 

My wife rues the ending of Bibas as much as the modellers in us miss W&H and Kings Cross Models, and for those in North West London Puffers (especially down stairs

I think somewhere I have one of the latter catalogues (colour version in a larger format), which in fact had less in not more

Throwing a cat amongst the pigeons, quite often in these smaller branchlines that grew up station buildings were quite grand buildings, Stanmore (from Harrow and Wealdstone had a Gothic style building. Maldon East was also quite grand with a row of white round columns at the front. I think this relates to Termini mostly 

On the other hand a small halt may have had the equivalent of a bus shelter

To get an extensive list you will need several catalogues, I have one only (blue cover) but have misplaced it during the house move. I have various W&H catalogues which I use for reference

They produced a TT range as well as an 009 range and a few 0 gauge wagons, all of these being dropped in latter years. I have all but one wagons they produced and the variants, for example the 6 wheeled siphon initially was whitemetal, the body was changed to plastic with whitemetal running gear finally it went to all plastic

The wagon I am missing was only made as a give away for Motorail as it was one of their wagons

Perhaps a new thread which collectors could contribute and perhaps someone could keep a register, and a plan library would also be helpful to some

A couple of points that might help

Firstly I would advise you choose the most effective selling time, which normally is from Friday night to Sunday night. My favorite is Sunday late afternoon to early evening. I would never think of having lots ending either during the working day, late at night, even weekend mornings to late afternoon

Secondly much better to start listings at 99p but have a fixed postage cost. Most regular buyers factor in postage costs anyway and 99p is a come and buy me price 

I must admit to be getting a bit worried, as the item was still not showing dispatched 7 days later, and one negative feedback of item not been posted. Still worst weather for years so I thought I would be patient, as it happened a chap from Hermes turned up on the door with a parcel (had I known it was Hermes would not have been nervous as I have found they are quite slow) 

The main body comprises of a pre-folded sides and bottom with each side having 3 lamentations

The roof screws on to the body via the 4 roof vents

Ends, underfloor and body details

Nice heavy cast bogies

Body and roof details along with a set of vintage wheels

Really pleased with the kit, far better than I expected and all for £13 plus £5 postage, a ^ wheeled siphon from Slaters would cost me £80 + postage or a Roxey etched brake coach £148 + wheels and postage. It weighs over a kilo so my poor little tank locos will struggle !!

I definitely need to get a bigger soldering iron, bit unsure about the side etched overlays as they are thick gauge brass, might even be better to superglue them ? One good thing is all the small detailing parts on the fret are numbered

After a brief look new wheels are required, changing the cast buffers to sprung is a must as are screw couplings, may also buy brass door handles, still at £13 hardly breaking the bank. Well pleased is an understatement

This is the 4th item I have recently bought from so called antique dealers, all well under what they were worth. Thankfully for me the extremely poor listing (unlike his other items) got me a right result

Jol

Thought John went to this one, however out of the shows I go to in the South East its probably one of the best for trade support catering for all areas of the hobby, surprised wizard are not there, still the other specialist shows are a bit further away fron the north eastern side of London.

Other than at large main line stations, most railway stations from memory had no refreshment rooms, there must have been exceptions but I would guess only at places where you would get a large footfall or passengers waiting for connections.

Remember mainline trains had their own refreshment cars, for small country stations it was the pub across the road

My new railway room has a radiator off the central heating, after suffering the costs of heating a converted garage (only when in use) the ability to run off the existing central heating system (railway room is in a new extension to the house) was extremely appealing, both as its warm when I ever I want to use it and I doubt if it adds much to the running costs of the system

As for lights, I learnt from my converted garage that for the workbench you need plenty of light, especially from behind you