MarcD

More wagons have been retooled so they are available in 4mm and 7mm as complete kits and most are available in 2mm; TT; 3mm; HO; S; G1; G2 and G3 as wagon bodies.

LYR/LMS 3plk
FR/LMS/BR 3plk
TVR/GWR/BR 3plk
Cambrian/GWR 4plk
Cambrian Lime (Dead buffered)
Barry/GWR/BR 1plk
GER/LNER 5plk (wooden underframe)
GER/LD&ECR/GER/LNER/BR 5plk (Steel underframe)
GER/LNER 3plk fixed side
GER/LD&ECR/GCR/LNER/BR van
GER/LNER/BR vent van unfitted
GER/LNER/BR vent van fitted
M&GNR Goods Brake van
Barry/GWR 5plk
FR/LMS/BR 5plk
NER//LNER/BR 8ton 4plk
NER/LNER/BR 10ton 4plk
PTR/GWR/BR 2plk
NBR/LNER/BR 4plk fixed side
NBR/LNER/BR 4plk Drop-side
NBR/LNER/BR 4plk centre door

The following are should be available in 4mm by the end of the year.
E&WYUR/LD&ECR/GCR/LNER/BR 5plk
FR/LMS/BR 20t ore hopper
GWR van
GER/LNER/BR 7plk
Barry/TVR/GWR/BR 5plk
LSWR/SR/BR 4plk
NER/LNER/BR F4 Vent van
HR/LMS/BR 7plk loco coal
CR/LMS 8t coal
NER/LNER/BR/PO P4 hopper
NER/LNER/BR/PO P5 hopper
NER/LNER/BR/PO R3 coke hopper
NER/LNER/PO R5 coke hopper
GNR/LNER/BR cattle van
GNoSR/LNER/BR goods brake van
SDJR/LMS/BR 20t goods brake van
GER/LNER/BR large cattle van
LSWR/SR/BR refrigerator van
GWR/BR Mica B
GWR/BR Y2 Fruit
NER/LNER Small gunpowder van
LNWR/LMS Small gunpowder van
FR/LMS Small gunpowder van
LYR/LMS/BR 7plk loco coal
LYR/LMS 7plk mineral
SECR/LBSCR/GNR/LNER/SR/BR/PO 7plk
GWR/BR iron mink
GWR/BR iron mink (Fitted)
GER/LNER/BR/PO gunpowder van
SECR/SR/BR/PO gunpowder van
FR/LMS/BR 6wheel plate wagon
CR/LMS/BR 6wheel plate wagon
GNR/LNER/BR goods brake van
NBR/LNER/BR cattle van
NBR/LNER van
LNWR/LMS/BR 4plk
Cambrian/GWR/BR gunpowder van
LSWR/SR/BR vent van
LBSCR ballast brake van.

See the website pregroupingrailways.com for prices and other details. Please note when the system says "On back order" this just means I'm manufacturing to order.

Marc Dobson
Pre-Grouping Railways

I would have to check my LBSCR coach books but I think you are correct. There were later Billington 4 wheelers that did run in green on the mainland.

Marc 

There is evidence of them running in small rakes B3rd-comp-B3rd on branchlines. 

As for the olive green coaches they would be post 1923. The ones lasting longest were those sent to the IOW.

Marc

I've been waiting for an order since October. I have contacted them twice now and got the same answer on both occasions. Very sorry the delay it was caused by illness and we are trying to clear the backlog.

Marc

On this coming weekend.

I will be taking WC Boggs.

Marc

I was at a show last year and someone actually pushed between my layout and the next one so he could get a photo. It was made worse as he was attach to a large rucksack. When I stated that the gap was not for the public I just got a look as if I was stuck to the bottom of his shoe.

Marc

ECC, formed in 1919, has two different liveries for there wagons a grey for clay and a dark red oxide for coal. Clay wagons were not pooled but the coal ones were. Also there was a merger with another large firm in the early 30's. So this shot must date from about 1920 to 1931. My money would be on earlier than later looking at the weathering.

The random shapes and sizes of the wagons is due to their origins. In 1919 Martin Bros, West of England china clay and North Cornwall China Clay merged. In addition to this between 1920 and 1929 ECC bought out another 12 smaller companies most of which would have had their own wagons.

In 1931 there was another big merger to form English Clays Lovering Pochin. These wagons had ECLP on them.

Marc

Boggs is off on its travels again this weekend coming this time to Carnforth Show. It is being held at the visitor centre on the railway station.

Marc

It's very tempting. It's one of only 2 Pre-Grouping liveries I don't have. 

Marc

I ordered some transfers in October I'm still waiting for them. I have chased them a few times but still nothing.

Marc

Fumble fingers 

The name for those who are not ofay with the work of Dylan Thomas is the name of the town in his play for voices "Under Milk Wood" and the joke can be found by reading it backwards.

The story so far.

About 2 years ago I started building a 0-16.5 shunting puzzle layout based on Wharf station at Tywyn on the Talyllyn. 

I build all the wagons form my own kits. So far so good I hear people say. Base board built, the track went down, wagon turntables printed. All was going well until I turned to locos. This was when things started to unravel very quickly. I bought a peco Talyllyn and a Branch line chassis to go with it. I started to build it against a drawing as well as the instructions only to find that the loco was 16mm longer than it should have been and it had a footplate where there shouldn't have been. At that point the project was put on ice and stacked at the back of the workshop. 

Scroll forward 18 month and Bachmann announced they are going to produce NG7 quarry locos and they should be available by the end of this summer. So the project is back on.

All they would need to have done is to make provision to move to wheels in to 14mm from 16.5mm.

Marc

I have a part built 0-16.5 layout so these are just what the doctor ordered. I would be nice if they could be converted to 0-14 in the longer term.

Marc

Most don't have the buffer housings as part of the print this one was picked at random.

Marc

First 2mm wagon test print. It's a NBR 3plk what do people think?

The other wagon is a 4mm LBSCR 4ton ballast for scale

Everything that is available in 4mm is printed. Some should be ok to reduce in scale but others might end up a bit thin.

I have scaled a NBR 3plk centre door.

Marc

I will have a go at printing a NBR wagon this evening. You can only try and see what happens.

Yes, tried it with no couplings, 3 link and my own Flippems couplings. The automatic couplings are clear and not binding. The bigger the loco the bigger the problem. 

And according to the BR track manual and scaling them down the should be 56mm long and Infront of the frog. I get away with it as I have my ballast so high it acts as a check rail.

Yes I did and then I designed some auto couplings to operate with the curve.

I'm not going to use them again.

They need bigger check rails.

I made a similar change to the points I used on W C Boggs I'm still using dead buffered stock shorter than 15ft6 LOH. The problem isn't the frog or the reverse curve it's the size of the check rails and where they have been positioned with respect to the frog. They should be about 3x longer and be in advance of the frog so they guide the wheels round the curve.

Marc

If you want to buy RTR track the streamline point's are ok. If you want to build your own then Greenwood pint kit are not bad. Rule of thumb for  0 gauge standard locos and stock 6ft radius points minimum radius. You can go down to 4ft but you're looking at industrial layout and short 4 wheel stock.

Marc

Only advice I would give is don't use peco o gauge set track. They are far to tight for anything other than small dead buffered stock and the check rails are in the wrong place and about a 1/3rd of the length they should be. I used them on my current micro and I'm wishing I hadn't.

Marc

Never tried but I can't see why some can't be done in 2mm.

Marc

My wagon range now contains 7 NBR wagons with another 2 in the design stage. They are available as kits in 4mm and 7mm and bodies in HO, S, G1, G2 and G3.

Available wagons

1) 1plk 

2) 3plk fixed side

3) 3plk drop-side

4) 3plk centre door

5) 4plk Drop-side

6) 4plk fixed side

7) 4plk centre door

Under development

Cattle van

8t box van

Marc

Pre-Grouping Railways