MarcD

Most of the lead mines in Yorkshire and the lakes had a smelter close by. Lead ingots were quite often photographed being loaded in places like Middleton in teesdale and other stations in the area. It comes down to the principle of what is the heaviest thing to move ore or coal. It's why barrow developed a a steel town coke is easier to ship in rather than iron ore out. 

Marc

W C Boggs was out and about over the weekend at Manchester model railway show. A great week end and big thanks to Phil Sweat and his team.

It wa a great weekend apart from braking the slide bars on my M/W 0-4-0st.

 A month before we go again. It next outing is Kendal show at the end of January.

On 08/12/2023 at 18:20, 41516 said:

I can't recall ever seeing any GW wagons in pre-war photographs and postcards, nor a GW wagon label from Burton.  Not a no, but I suspect would be most unlikely.   When and which brewery are also two important questions, as the smaller breweries were less likely to have any more than a regional foothold and thus less likely to be sending out casks to every corner of Great Britain.

 

The other issues brought up before in the thread may depend on somewhat unknowable element of agencies and local dealers, where beers could be send out to regional ales stores and then distributed locally. To give a GW example, it is likely that Bass's Bristol agency dealt with sales the south west for c1900 and barrels would be dispatched and managed by the agency from the local stores.

 

Kelly's Directory of Bristol, 1902.

 

 

Address appears to be the offices - A quick search hasn't revealed a location for a related ale store as yet. Any locals perhaps with a lead? To give the regional perspective, in 1900 the Bristol agency was was only responsible for 1.6% of Bass, Ratcliff and Gretton domestic sales, dwarfed by sales to London and the north, matching the somewhat slender pub holdings in the south west.

 

So you may well have beer from Burton, dispatched by a Burton company but directed from from a Bristol office and ale store in a GWR wagon for onwards travel, but probably in smaller quantities.

 

Post war even with Common User scheme in place GW wagons are uncommon (I can think of a couple of aerial photos in the early 1920s with a single wagon visible) and this goes on right through to BR days just due to the lower proportion of stock in the pool compared to the LMS/LNER. 

 

 

EDIT - There might be an Iron Mink lurking in the background of a photo, but I'm not sure of date or if that helps!  Will try and find it.

 

EDIT II:  Worthington's Brewery C1896. What say you, Mink fans? 

 

 

 

 

Definitely an iron mink but what type? And who was the operator? Most of the Welsh companies had them as well as some private businesses. They are not just a GWR thing. I have the HMRS iron mink book at home so I will have a look tomorrow night when I get home from Manchester show. 

Things that change length of body, wheel base and position of the vent on the end.

Marc

7 hours ago, BoD said:

I have just tried  to log onto the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers website and ….

 

 

 

 

Witchcraft!

I was in the natural history museum this afternoon and saw this. 

Santa Claws is coming to town!

Marc

Good news the etchers have found the artwork and have just sent me 18 wagons worth of parts. Most of these are already spoken for but I have enough parts for 5 wagons. If anyone wants them. The prototypes will be on show at the Guildford o gauge show on Saturday I will have 5 random wagons from the range available on the day unless someone wants a specific wagon.

Currently available

D 2 plank centre door (8ft6 WB)

D 3 plank centre door (8ft6 WB)

D 3 plank Centre door (9ft WB)

D 3 plank drop side (8ft6 WB)

D 3 plank drop side (9ft WB)

D Shale/wood chip (8ft6 WB)

D Shale/wood chip (9ft WB)

2 plank ballast (8ft6 WB)

Full kits in 7mm but available as bodies in HO, 4mm, S(1:64) , G1 (1:32), G2 and G3

Marc

A new wagon to add to the Furness PO wagon book

The index of published photos of PO wagons draws a blank on the ***** Wood Colliery nothing close so it coul be a new one. 

However a quick search of the HMRS photos came up with Soothill Wood Colliery  Batley West Yorks 

It's not the same wagon but the lettering matches

Once I have got Manchester show out of the way I'm going to have go at revamping the viaduct board and turning the other end into a run round. This should allow me to operate the layout in a longer format on my own at shows. I will also need a larger traverser to make sure there are enough trains to run a sequence. This will also involve increasing the amount of stock.

I have the high Res copy so I will have detailed scan of it tonight after the boss goes to work and see if I can add any more to the conversation 

If you start with a flat baseboard and add foam to the top you get all the benefits of an open topped board and all the benefits of a flat board without any of the disadvantages.

It's what I did when I built Scratchy Bottom standard off the shelf baseboards with 25mm of high density closed cell foam board on top. Then carved to look like an embankment. If you wanted higher embankments just used thicker foam. 

Marc

I had a look at some or the suburban coaches and as they are unfitted they are only suitable for running pre1885 and the IEG livery Terriers are in a form that dates them between 1885 and 1897. 

So if you have Terriers then you need the mainline coaches.

Hi David

It's a typo it should be 10ft6. And I will up date the date the dates.

Marc

A few shots of the revamped layout at today.

As ths has not been mentioned in any other thread I thought I would post.

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A grandfamily day out with access to Scalextric, ten-pin bowling

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Delabold in Cornwall 

From my research I have found out the following re types of wagon used for slate traffic 

LSWR used a mixture of 1plk stone and 3plk dropside

LNWR used dia 1 1plks, dia 2 2plk and dia 7 2plank dropside which were adapted to take 3 narrow gauge slate wagons.

Cambrian used 2 planks both fixed and dropside.

Furness used mainly 1 and 2 planks.

Still got some work to do the GWR and Caledonian

I have 9 o gauge Dapol Terriers 6 of which are in Improved Engine Green all different numbers and names two have even got different brakes. I have one more to get to have all the IEG locos. Just need a layout to run them on.

Height will be lower as it's still sat on its spikes which will be pushed into the foam. I can make it is Modular do additional length is not a problem. 

Marc

Keep the platform, make a bigger one or get rid and replace with fence posts?

The company owned track has been re-ballasted to LBSCR/NSWGR practice in the 1880's/1890's. 

The private line that would go off to some sort of industry has been grassed to the point only the rail head is visible.

Next job is to put some 2.5mm grass around the front edge.

I'm in two minds about putting back the wooden platform and grounded coach.

Marc 

If you have any more they would be more than welcome.

Marc

I couldn't agree more. Even a "Good" GA can be classified as a guide to building and might not be 100% correct. 

Rule 1) get as many photos of your chosen subject as you can lay your hands on. Hopefully ones from different angles.

Rule 2) find a works GA and check it against the photos. There maybe more than one version of the GA. Also sometimes a GA is produced but the object was never built.

Case in point LNWR 4plank on a steel underframe. GA published in LNWR wagons book and also held by HMRS and NRM York. No photos exist and there is no mention in the order books. Was it built?

In the case of the Furness steam rail motor there is a number of good photos taken from a number of angles. There is also two drawings a GA signed by the CME and the one in Rush. The first drawing matches the photos the second barely represents the prototype. Which one should be used to design a kit?

Marc

11 hours ago, WFPettigrew said:

 

Hardy Osborne was a contemporary of Rush. His artworks were published as drawings and articles in the Railway Modeller in the 60's and 70's. In  both cases  their information should not be used as it's less truthful than a novel.

As a word of warning there is a manufacturer of some Furness railway carriage stock "kits" who has used Rush and Osborne to produce his etches. And in the case of the Furness steam rail motor it doesn't match the photo published in the same book. This and other errors have been pointed out to him over the years but he still hasn't changed anything.

Marc

3 hours ago, WFPettigrew said:

 

Sadly Chas, the odds are not good. 

 

RW (Bob) Rush wrote a number of books, including two regarding the Furness Railway (also Oakwood Press).  Let's just say that the one that features drawings of locos, carriages and wagons contains numerous sometimes significant errors.  When he was asked - after publication - for the sources for some of the things in his book by Furness Railway historians, he apparently generally replied "I can't remember" and once that he probably had some paperwork on it, but it was the back of his wife's knitting cupboard, so he couldn't get to it.  (??!!) 

 

So I would treat this one with a huge dollop of caution, several pinches of salt, and probably only rely on that which is backed up by a second source. 

 

Now, that was the polite review.   @MarcD will probably be more, err, forthright.. 

Neil

You know me to well. IMHO the work of Rush does have some parts that are based on fact, the photos. As for the rest, drawings, facts etc in the written form I have seen better attempts at draftsmanship from the likes of Claude Monet. There is another who should be Added to the list of impressionist railway artists that of Hardy Osborne. 

Marc