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Do you speak/read French? Best book on the subject is in French. Can't remember the name, ISBN, etc but I know a man who has a copy.
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C'est peut-être -Christian Cenac: La voie de 60 Militaire de la Guerre de 14-18 en France
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Please note that my "Brink Valley Tramway" is incorrectly listed as being "OO9". It is "O9" - 7mm/ft on 9mm track representing an 18ins gauge freelance line.
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A prototype question for those conversant with matters post-1948; would Rev Awdry have encountered any Y6s? I rather doubt it. The last pair were, I believe, withdrawn in 1952, but I understand that the class had long since departed the W&U.
I suspect that literary Toby was based upon the Rev's experience of J70s on the W&U, but, when it came to his model Toby, he had a Y6 drawing to hand.
Perhaps one better versed in matters Sudrian than I could confirm?
On that basis, I had rather assumed Toby could either. Anyhow, I shall stick to my old Ks J70/C53 and, if I need another, there is Silver Fox and a 3D print, but really, my other Tobys will be Y6/G15s. I believe a member of this parish is in the process of producing a 3D-print Y6/G15. If so, I will have several, and may even include Toby!
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“Toby” was a hybrid.
I refer interested parties to Wilbert Awdry’s article in Railway Modeller, July 1961, pp.161-163.
[1] The article is styled – “Toby” immediately followed by the explanation – “A 4mm scale model of an ex-G.E. Y6 0-4-0 tram-engine using a motor bogie as a basis.”
[2] The opening sentence of the article is this.
“My son and I first met a J70 tram-engine at Yarmouth in 1951.”
[3] I quote para 3 of the article.
“The pictures of “Toby” in the books were based on my photographs and Skinley’s blue-print. They therefore more or less resemble a J70. I started planning a model for my own line, but had no chance to build it till we moved to our present parish near Wisbech in 1953. Meanwhile I read up on the subject and found that there were two types employed at Yarmouth, Lowestoft and on the Wisbech and Upwell line. They were the 0-4-0 Y6, introduced in 1883, and the 0-6-0 J70, introduced in 1903. Both looked similar in general, but there were differences in detail. As my model was to be powered by a Romford motor bogie, it struck me that the four- wheeled prototype would be more suitable.”
[4] The photographs of the model of “Toby” clearly show the skirts with no indication of outside cylinders - but with Y6 style cab footsteps.
[5] The final para of the article refers to the accompanying prototype photograph. This shows Y6 No 0125 and the caption reads –
“A Y6 in original condition”.
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I would suggest that the above, from Wilbert Awdry’s own words, means that “Toby” was a hybrid. He began in Wilbert’s mind as a J70 but became a Y6.
Further evidence of this can be seen in the original (Nos 1-26) books written by Wilbert Awdry himself.
When “Toby” first appears in “Toby the Tram Engine” (book No 7 first published in 1952) the first illustration by Reginald Dalby (p.5 and on the cover) shows J70 style cab steps and a suggestion of the bottom of the skirts being of reduced width. There is not, however, and indication of the the J70 outside cylinders. Other illustrations in book No 7 are similar except of that on p.9 which shows the skirts as flat right to the bottom.
When Toby finally appears in “Tramway Engines” (book No 26 first published in 1972) the illustrators are Gunvor and Peter Edwards and the skirts are flat to the bottom, with no indication of outside cylinders, but with the J70 style cab steps.
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To all the above I would add a caveat about the work of the various illustrators of the original 26 books.
On 13 April 1982 I had the privilege of a personal conversation with Wilbert Awdry during the annual MRC Easter exhibition. Part of this centered around the fact that what Wilbert had wanted had not always been faithfully achieved by the illustrators.
“Henry” had been drawn as a Pacific, but Wilbert had intended he be a GCR Robinson Atlantic. Similarly “Edward” was portrayed as a 4-4-0 when a 2-4-0 had been what Wilbert had in mind.
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For those travelling from the West, unfortunately this coming weekend is one of those when the M4 will be closed between Junctions 13 and 12.
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Once again, this is in line with the original posting.
Could some people think that the Local Authority are running these shows?
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Two questions would seem to be relevant.
[1] Is it ethical to pose as an entire town?
[2] Does it contravene the Trade Descriptions Act to advertise as someone (or a body, or a town) that one is not?
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The statement -
"We are proud to present the first Rye Model Railway Exhibition."
(http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/events/14296-DDEventsExhibition)
- is at best confused and at worst incorrect.
The exhibition being promoted on Sat 29 April 2017 may be the first in Rye by "DD Events", but it is not the first to take place in Rye. There was one on 15 July 1995 which if memory serves had a Col Stephens anniversary connection. I was an exhibitor at this event.
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Do I recall that G.R.Hannan's County Donegal layout in the late '50s/early '60s was 5.5 mm scale?
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May I respectfully point out that this layout was 5mm not 5.5mm scale? This is clearly stated in the RM article as can be seen in posting No 62 above.
Reading of the work of G.R.Hannan at the time (fifty odd years ago) I was puzzled why he did not use 5.5mm scale. Could the explanation have been the availability or adaptability of other items such as figures and road vehicles?
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Best Book for WW1 Narrow Gauge
in Narrow Gauge Prototype
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There would appear to be two editions - 2003 and 2010 - and hard and softback bindings. There is also a reference to it being in French and English. I would advise contacting a specific supplier to ascertain the exact situation and asking if the English version is a full parallel text or just a summary.
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