southernelectric

OK, I'll have a dig back through....but the question I have is, why should the consumer 'sort it' when the product should work properly out of the box? Surely it should not require user modification due to poor design? Bachmann should recall and fix themselves IMHO....

Yikes, the Bachmann Class 85 has these same problems? I have two of these I recently acquired (one each of the currently available models) and the forthcoming Class 85 with SYP on pre-order. I haven't run my 40 yet, I don't have permanent layout to test and I doubt a rolling road will show up all the problems. Same goes for my Class 85's, now I'm worried they will be duds. I won't be able to test those for a while yet either. The silence from Barwell on this farce has been deafening. No acknowledgement of this issue, unless I've missed something?

http://www.34046braunton.co.uk/res/brauntonrailway/main-board-large.jpg Interesting....it says in the article about the locomotive, the heraldic crest was designed in 1965. I wonder why they never used it? I really like the look of the black nameplate and the crest....but it seems if I get a second Hornby Okehampton (aside from the one I will use as the 'donor' locomotive for Barnstaple) and use it as the 'donor' locomotive for Braunton with these additions, it will be an entirely fictitious representation of the locomotive!

It seems that converting the forthcoming Okehampton model to Braunton, in any way that represents the real thing at any time in its life (in service or as now preserved) might be a challenge! I don't want to do anything clever here, just get some etched plates and send the Okehmapton model to TMC to do the rest (and convert to DCC as that's what my layout will be, not DC). For now I'll probably just go with getting Okehampton converted to Barnstaple!

Thanks - I would not be looking to convert Okehampton to Braunton 'as preserved' as the Hornby model of Okehampton is based on this class when in service. When I get around to building a layout (!) it will not be of a particular time or place, but I would like the locos to be fairly representative of the timeframe they are supposed to be from in their model form, if that makes sense. Even if not 100% accurate to prototype, if it's close I'm happy with that. If I convert a second Okehampton to Braunton (in addition to Barnstaple), and if I also use the model Hornby are bringing out of Okehampton as the donor for both Barnstaple and Braunton. let's say it would represent (after conversion) Braunton for say 1957-1961, just like Barnstaple, and the real loco carried a black nameplate at some point during that time (or maybe even into 1962) then that's good enough for me! The Barnstaple conversion will definitely have a red nameplate when I get it done, it just looks 'right' to me. Black nameplate on Braunton would provide a little bit of variety (of course Okehampton needs to actually turn up this year from Hornby first!) But even if the red nameplate didn't come until 1962 on Barnstaple in real life, but the model actually represents no later than 1961 due to no AWS box or speedometer that is close enough for me. I have a Bachmann Deltic that has the wrong shed code on it. It's a model of (D)9005 and it has an FP (Finsbury Park) shed code above the data panel but the Deltic in question was never based there! It was a Gateshead-based loco until 1979 when it transferred to York. The model represents the loco as it appeared in the early 1970s pre-TOPS number and with the dropped 'D' prefix. So it should most definitely not have FP shed codes on it! No Detlics did in the early 1970s as I understand it. As I sidenote, I have a second 9005 which I had personalised with my year of birth as the new number and my name on it in place of the original....and that loco didn't even exist, it's pure fantasy. So a little bit of 'modellers license' is permissible here :-)

They also do Barnstaple in black as well. I like the red on Barnstaple but the black just looks 'right' to me on Braunton for some reason.

Another couple of questions regarding the renumbering and renaming of the forthcoming Hornby Okehampton.... Looking at Fox Transfers website, they offer etched nameplates for Barnstaple in both red and black. The only colour photos I can find of the prototype (c.1964) show the loco with red nameplates. When, as in timeframe, would the black nameplates have been used? Also, what if I was to get a second Okehampton and convert to Braunton. Red or black nameplates? Which came first? Braunton survived the cutter's torch and has black nameplates in preservation, as seen in picture attached. Finally, what about the numbering on the cab (above the loco number)? What exactly are they and are these numbers unique to each locomotive or are they generic to the class? Here's Braunton 'as preserved'. Still can't make out the numbers above the loco number on the cab though:

I've started for some strange reason to become rather fond of the Connex livery....I don't usually go in for the privatisation liveries but I recently got a Kernow Thumper in Connex and it has grown on me. My wife used to live in Croydon, it's where she was living when we first met in the late 1990s, so I remember seeing the livery on EMU stock in the area at the time and I wasn't keen on it...but I have become rather fond of it late. Not keen any of the other privatisation-era liveries though. I wasn't overly keen on Network Southeast livery at the time but I've become rather fond of it looking back now. I'd certainly prefer to see that livery again than the privatisation liveries I see now (although Southern isn't too bad I suppose - it does have an element of Southern Region retro-ness about it).

I ordered my blue one from the Class 40 Preserevation Society and I'll probably also go for the non-sound green one when it comes. If you are looking for a blue one, Rails and Kernow are showing as having stock.

Thanks again John! This is one of the reasons I hang out here, I learn so much from people like yourself who are infinitely knowledgeable about these kinds of details. As has been mentioned elsewhere in other threads, Hornby's photo-shopped pictures of as-yet-released models may not necessarily reflect all of the detail of the model that arrives in the shops! So we might see it with the additions....guess we'll have wait and see. Either way, I'll probably go for it!

Thanks John! As I'm somewhat uneducated in these matters (and most certainly when we're talking about steam locos!) can you confirm what you mean by speedometer and AWS box? Presumably these were added in 1961?

Would the forthcoming Hornby R3203 Rebuilt WC Class loco 34013 "Okehampton" be a suitable donor loco for renumbering and renaming to 34005 "Barnstaple"? From the few pics I've been able to locate of the protoype of Barnstaple and comparing with the pics of Okehampton, I can't see any reason why not - unless someone here knows otherwise? http://www.Hornby.com/shop/productimage/?ImageID=18232&ProductID=20255 http://www.flickr.com/photos/david_christie/6171791380/ Are there any differences between them that would render a renumber/rename of Okehampton not suitable/viable? This wouldn't be a project I would do myself by the way - over to the good folks at TMC to do, and I'd probably get brass etched nameplates from Fox to add to it as well.

Someone's dump?

So what's the difference between the standard BR green and the NRM version? Is it just the running numbers? Or is the NRM version - being the 'as preserved' model - different in some other way? I do wish Hornby had put lights on these things....then it would be a no-brainer to buy....I would really love to see blue FYE ones next year!

Do you think we'll see a green version with FYE or even better a blue one with FYE?

Which livery model?

Well said Jon! Despite slightly favouring Deltics I dig the Westerns. I'm slightly too young to remember seeing them in their BR days, although I almost certainly did as a very young boy when on holidays in Devon and Somerset in the early 1970s.

I don't find it irritable at all

Who ordered the maroon with SYP D1062 model from WLA? I have to say I really do like mine and so far none of the issues I saw with the second blue one I bought earlier in the year. Although, having said that, I've only tested on a Rolling Rails rolling road so far, not on track (no layout yet). And what about the Cheltenham Model Centre exclusive D1015 in Golden Ochre? Who's going to get one of those? It's seriously tempting!

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Deltics do drone...but what a wonderful drone it is

Nice. Very nice indeed! I think the Westerns are the second best looking diesel ever built in Britain, only narrowly losing out to the Deltics to my eyes. Looking at this photo of one Dapol '52 I don't have and one I do, I'm absolutely gutted I didn't get a D1000 Western Enterprise when I had the chance. If STEAM do another run, I'm in! The Golden Ochre D1015 recently announced by DTG is very tempting, although still my favourite livery for this loco is BR blue. Out of interest were the missing bits with D1000 or the WLA D1062 model? I've got D1062 and gave it a very quick run on a Rolling Rails rolling road, but haven't checked the 'bag of bits' yet to see if anything is missing. I like to have spares of everything! So if even if all is well with my D1062 I'll still be ordering some spares from DCC supplies at some point. I'm hoping they'll be increasing their stocks of spares for these locos in time. I definitely will want more roof eyelet rib thingys!

Interesting. My two are quieter than the Heljan Western and Hymeks I own....but still noisier than any Bachmann diesel I own.

I have two and neither are that quiet compared to my Bachmann locos.

If it was me I would send back to DCC Supplies for repair or replacement. They are handling warranty repairs on these models. I wouldn't attempt a self-fix.