Dava

Thanks Nova Scotian, I do have the photos from this thread in my offline archive. But I dont have time to reload them to the thread. Ive also lost confidence in online photo album sites being available long-term but will explore alternatives.

Dava

Just now, F-UnitMad said:

And the Plymouth alternative...? 

This will follow in a few days, its taken me a few months just to write this one!

This is the first of two little Christmastime excursions into possible models of US industrial or shortline switching locos which could be suitable and interesting for a line such as GLRR. Included as the available O scale models are rather limited in variety, in view of the cornucopia of prototypes which were available to manufacturers. The first one is a Baldwin 0-4-0T, as an alternative to the ‘docksider’ B+O saddle tank,  the second a modern diesel alternative to the Plymouth.

About 30 years ago, I bought a trainset for my younger son, but rather than Hornby we chose a Life-Like Ho American set for a bit more play value. the loco was titled a ‘Lil Tugger’ and it has taken till now to discover a possible prototype:   

Bush Terminal Railroad Baldwin locos.

I bought a soft back book on the Brooklyn dockyards railways in New York. One of these was called the Bush terminal. these lines served industries and warehouses in Brooklyn and their railroad cars were shipped via car floats to and from New York and other riverine destinations. All the information on the NY dockyard systems can be found on the comprehensive Trainweb website for which thanks and credit for the information and photo below are due, you can spend hours investigating it. 

http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/btphotos.html#Bush_Terminal_Railroad_Locomotive_Roster

The 6 locos supplied by Baldwin were all similar, of the  Baldwin 04-30 type. 

They had 44” drivers, the wheelbase I don’t yet know but will estimate about 6 feet. 

Southern Methodist University hosts the vast Baldwin locomotive catalogs & drawing archives online, so if you have a spare hour or two to investigate the links you may be lucky and find more dimensions and even a GA drawing of this loco type. 

https://guides.smu.edu/c.php?g=1029481

https://s3.smu.edu/cdm/cul/extra/degolyer/rwy/BaldwinManuscripts/mss0061_02_index_purchaser.pdf

As for a donor chassis, the Dapol B4 0-4-0T could work….?

Christmas greetings from Grand Lake Railroad, after an afternoon’s track laying, Santa’s train pulls in!

I’ve not had much time for modelling in recent weeks. This weekend I mocked up the track layout for the shortline using actual turnouts, plans and flexitrack. It’s always different full-size from how you plan it. The nearer board just uses the top, so after this everything was cleared off so that I could assemble the frame for this board and work on the board fixings. 

These two boards are 2400 x 600 in total, there will be a 600mm square board with the river and covered bridge later. Meanwhile the aim is to have a basic running line in operation for the Trent Valley open day event on 27 Jan, details linked below.

https://ngtrains.com/shop/exhibition/7mm-nga-trent-valley-group-open-day/?utm_source=EDM+Models+Newsletter&utm_campaign=042e7df266-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_19_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_4f63dec2fc-042e7df266-111798085&mc_cid=042e7df266&mc_eid=6a1e1cd83d

Dava

I don’t know how many RmWeb members work in the University sector, maybe they’re too busy marking? I know several ex-Uni people on here. Anyway the good times have fast receded into the distance as financial pressures hit. Coventry Uni declared an £80mil deficit & cuts of £100m with redundancies. Sheffield Hallam is also seeking voluntary severances with 10 x monthly salary exit packages.

There will be more to come with the effect of no increase in UK tuition fees since 2012, now worth just £6000 in real terms (no I don’t want to see them increased either, the kids are reluctant to come as it is). HM Govt have nixed the international student business by making UK a hostile & high cost area to study in. So it’s all rather grim with increasing workloads & sub-inflation pay rises. Sooner or later a Uni will follow the example of some cities by going bankrupt. 
 

The Uni I work in is apparently solvent with big reserves but only breaks even by carrying lots of vacant posts which save £s but increase the workloads of those who remain. I took a more senior post this autumn partly to help humanise the management for my colleagues (the extra £ is trivial after tax and not noticed it in my pay yet!).

But I don’t have much time or energy for the modelling I’d like to do. I just see a lot of the same story across most of the  public/3rd sector/private organisations in the UK service sector. 
 

Anyway, let’s get a train running this Christmas!

The G6 drawing & design could also be used for a NER/LNER J71 or J72, depending on the wheel diameter used. They were very similar designs. The TT Bec kits J72 was also the G6! 
https://www.3smr.co.uk/locos.html

Richard,

Is there a link which shows layouts & traders attending please?

Many thanks 

Thanks Andrew,

the traverser will just be for up to the longest loco (300mm) to traverse 3 roads (up to 300mm) so smaller than the G&H ones. Probably using small drawer runners.

I don’t know how much of the layout will be ready for Mickleover, as it depends on time & progress. I’d aim for running on two boards, without scenics other than token buildings. So it might be a bit plain.

I’ve been away during last week and whilst it might appear the layout hasn’t progressed, most of the work has been on the bench, not the board.  The first Grainge & Hodder board was mainly built a couple of weekends ago and I need to decide on the fixings and the traverser design before building the second one.

Reverting to the layout plan, there is a road accessed just from the traverser for loco storage. But in looking at shunting moves, it will aid operations for this to be accessed by a new turnout from the siding serving warehouses, so I’ve added that to the plan.

The turnouts are sets of number 4 pre-cut code 124 rail which I bought and imported from a private seller in the US. There are seven, two unused ones were pre-assembled with tinplate stretchers, these were assembled first onto Paxolin sleepers at critical points for gauging, they will have the remaining timbers added when on the track bed. The other five had previously been used and lifted, so I’m using the best of these, 4 right and 1 left handed. I have just two to assemble. The plain rail is FB from Marcway and will be laid on mixed Paxolin for gauge with infill timbers. Just some flexitrack in concealed areas and code 100 in old sidings.  

The photos show the revised trackplan, the turnouts set out from above [paper plans for those not built yet] and a photo of the GE 45 tonner beside a depot building, not the final structure.

More next time.

Our  shortline now has its road logo. It should have a black border which will be restored.

It may also have a black background when used on black locos etc. No expense has been spared on corporate identity designers, etc.

Last Sunday I assembled the first Grainge & Hodder baseboard, it’s not complete as this one will have a loco traverser fitted and also the point controls have to be fitted before the cross bracing. But it’s ready enough for loco testing. Here the two B&O switchers, coincidentally nos 96 & 97, meet for the first time. Originally, the C16A tender locos were saddle tankers of the same type. 

I do have a book on that…..

O Scale Resource latest issue.

https://oscaleresource.com/WP/

A 9 page article by Brian Scace on building an 8 x 1.8 foot portable O scale layout. A good reason to read it! 
Meanwhile, here are some GE 44 tonners on shortlines to admire! See if you can tell which shortlines they are on. The first is easy. One of them is mine, I’m sure you can spot it. 


 

52 minutes ago, F-UnitMad said:

I can't find the photos or thread they were in now, but there was a comparison of the Rivarossi 0-4-0 & Atlas/Roco 0-6-0 switchers; the Rivarossi one is very much bigger, & rather overscale. The Atlas/Roco isn't perfect, but is much closer to scale size.

It’s probably more usable in 1/43 scale, mine is an ex DB one with buffers.

This US site is useful for online groups & links. https://oscalecentral.com/online-forums-and-groups-2/
 

The O Scale Resource online magazine is free, next issue has a shortline project. https://oscaleresource.com/WP/
 

Ive been collecting & modelling in US O scale for three years, my shortline project is linked below. Atlas, AHM, Roco & Rivarossi products are not too expensive or hard to find, second hand.I have a Rivarossi switcher and 3 Weaver 50’ flatcars I don’t need and would trade, for example.

GRAND LAKE RAILROAD

Now for the name and back-story of my shortline project. The US shortline sector changes constantly as lines close, merge, change ownership, or as Class 1 road sections close and sections reopen as shortlines. Last week I bought the 3rd edition ‘American Shortline Railway Guide’ (1986) which included 400 lines, many I’d never heard of and quite a number now closed. Yet there are now over 600 class 2 and 3 railroads in the US with a few more in Canada, so there is a huge variety to choose ideas from.  

This is the background to my O scale US shortline, based loosely on the Pinsly Railroad lines in New England.

I have 3 metres x 60 cm available in my workshop, with no room for a continuous run. The layout needs to be portable in sections by one person (myself). One of the problems with US O scale is the length of items, with a 40' boxcar or SW1200 scaling at 10", so a two or three car train is the limit. As Pinsly lines often operated single boxcars with a GE 44-tonner, that is acceptable.

The name of the line is Grand Lake Railroad. There are many lakes in New England and a number had a railroad running to or past them. The name Grand Lake is not uncommon, especially in onetime Francophone (Acadienne) territory, as ‘Grand lac’ just means a big lake. But I’ve not traced a Grand Lake Railroad. However when I worked in the former industrial district of Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, the area had multiple former industrial and shortlines. There was a former electric trolley line across the site of the University where I worked, which was on Grand Lake Road. The actual Grand Lake nearby is nothing special, but the Sydney Coal Railway runs across part of it on a trestle bridge, coal now being imported and run by train to the power station, rather than exported from the many former coal mines.You can locate it on Google maps.  Close by is Victoria Junction, where the Coal Railway workshops and stock sidings are. I often heard the train sirens from the University. So the name has some personal resonance. 

I imported turnout rail parts via a seller on OScaleYardsale, for 7 #4 turnouts on code 125 flatbottom rail, 5 had been used and 2 were unused with tinplate spacers. I prepared a track plan with the idea that the line crossed a river draining into the lake via a New England covered wooden bridge into the rail yard. The yard makes use of four #4 turnouts, allowing shunting moves between four sidings. There is a central running line which runs into two sidings with a concealed traverser behind the freight house (long enough for a SW1200 loco) providing a run-round facility and also serving a loco storage siding. There are also two kickback sidings, one serving warehouses and the other a team track loading area. The layout front could be a wharf with the lake being the viewing area. 

The working plan is a sketch. I am not using any digital CAD or track planning applications as I struggle with these. Modelling is therapeutic and is done mainly by drawing and making things by hand, not computer. I can mock up track layouts full-size using Setrack points on the table to test operations or with full-size turnout plans, as shown. The turnouts will be covered briefly soon, with 3 of the 4 now built.

I was going to build the baseboards, but this actually stalled the project as plywood process shot up after Covid and I was very busy. This summer I came across a Grange & Hodder 1200x600mm baseboard kit at a 009 Society event for a discount, so I bought that and added another the same size to provide 2.4 metres. The river and bridge section will be on a shorter board of 600mm square, handbuilt from ply with the river level on the base. I’m actually building the baseboards at the moment.

Finally, here is a wintry scene showing a short covered rail bridge on a shortline. The bridges were sheathed to protect the wooden latticed frames from the extreme weather conditions. Wooden road bridges carry the warning ‘Bridges freeze before the road’ because the rivers freeze and the bridges ice up, but covering mitigates this.

More next time.

Before posting more on the shortline project [i’m building turnouts] a note about rolling stock. US railcars are usually long, 40 foot is the max for me. But the compact 70 ton ore car is stocky and short. I have acquired two Atlas/Roco cars in the UK and finescaling these with scale wheels and Kadees. Also a pack of 4 K-Line coarse scale as a US import via EBay. These use exactly the same  Roco body/frame moulding with grotesque cast 3-rail trucks. these are easily removed and replaced with Atlas trucks and Intermountain wheels. These will provide through traffic from what is likely to be a copper mine [they existed in New Hampshire].

Conveniently there is a scaled matching Plymouth switcher from K-Line,

16 hours ago, hartleymartin said:

Planot No.5 with extra hand-rails, brass door handles and "Dolly Parton" buffers. She is that powerful, I am sure she would demolish buffer-stops. I don't think it needs DCC sound. The huge motor growls as it crawls along.

 

Unbelievably its almost 10 years since this loco was exported to Aus! Always good to see it and to hear from Harleymartin. I haven’t acquired or molested an Atlas Plymouth since! They are becoming quite rare but at last I am working on a shortline project which could employ a hacked version.

Hymeks & Westerns had an elan & style which most DEs lacked. Warships & D63xx were sad-eyed losers and class 14 were mutants. Don’t expect many to agree! Dons HVV & leaves….

Check the twigs are free from fungus, rot or infection. Also free from insects or larvae. They will go brittle as they dry out, could be dipped or soaked in Glycerol or glycerine to compensate for this.

I have used natural moss & lichen, dried out and same approach. Or can be left live and water sprayed but will give off organic aromas and may be habitat for mini beasts!

Quite a lot of shows remote from a rail station include a vintage bus shuttle to/from the station. Stafford being an example. Retro and quirky but what about their environmental impact?

One of the best shows and venues was at Derby in the Roundhouse venue, couldn’t be closer to Derby station though parking was a bit limited, and environmental performance of the building restored with oodles of public money was at BREAM standards. But post-Covid, Derby College stopped its use as an events venue and Derby has lost its premier model rail event.

Yes the bobber caboose is a Roco one the seller had added wire handrails & scale ladders to, I already had one but this will get the line’s roadname in due course. Both came at modest cost. The line is inspired by the Pinsly and other New England shortlines but it’s not a model of any specific one. More details in future posts.

This thread will have occasional diversions, one took place yesterday when I had a long trip to Winchester to visit the O Scale US & Continental show, fortunately the weather and road conditions had improved to make this possible. It was good to meet, talk and trade with other modellers.  I had arranged to collect some items from a modeller selling his collection, these included a few short wooden-framed cars for internal works use on the shortline, and also the rescue of a well-used KTM B&O C16a dockside shunter, pictured. I will admit to already having an unpainted brass version, which will stay that way for the near future, and this one will beremotored and converted to DCC as the working loco. The story is that when B&O dieselised its dockside workings in the 1940’s, a C16 saddle tank and 16a tender switcher were sold for shortline use They weren’t, but could have been.

My shortline is set in the late 1950s era when early GE diesel locos such as 25, 44, 45 and 70 tonners would be found, taking over from residual steam operations. It will be located, in imagination in the New Hampshire/Vermont region and practically in the 3000 x 600 mm [10x2 feet] space here, in my workshop.

I braved the floods yesterday and went to the Winchester US & Continental OScale event. It was enjoyable with a multigauge test track, big 3 rail display, small layouts including US & European O scale and On3. Plus traders with lots  of kits & bits.

Everyone had a good time and there were no disputes between fine and 3 rail coarse scalers! Also there are more O scale US & European modellers in the UK than you might think.