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  1. If the builders had been a real problem you could have called in that BBC morning programe about cowboy builders !!!!! The layout is brilliant I admire someone who can model a real location its so easy to make a location up and not worry about if you got a detail wrong.

    Thank you for your comments, he really winds me up the bloke on cowboy builders, like most of the them on daytime tv. Thank goodness for railway modelling, The fun of modelling a real location for me, is the different details you find out, which most of the time have nothing to do with what you are actual trying to make. 

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  2. This is going to be great when finished, very impressive so far.Glad to see you use proper measurements ie;imperial not this fancy continental rubbish which will never catch on.

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  3. The builders have gone. so I thought i would see what the Railway terrace looked like in situ, it still needs a load of work doing to get it to sit right in its new home, and sort the road and landscaping around it. also I dont know if I should  make small back gardens or as space is tight go for backyards. I have only quickly plonked the terrace in position and still need to finish off the drain pipes and gutters on the rear of the building.

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  4. The builders wont work today as its Valentines Day, the union wont let them they claim. they didn't do much yesterday after stuffing themselves stupid on pancakes on Pancake day. Two chaps turned up carrying a giant matchstick, one had a box on his head,thats something you don't see everyday. they did make a bit of a start on the roof and made some ridge tiles out of a shredded wheat box ( other breakfast cereals are available ) hope they can manage a full day tomorrow, before they stop for the weekend.

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  5. The builders have been back today and claim that they have sourced a sustainable means of cladding the building which is cost effective and cheap. which dosen't involve any scaffolding and can be fixed with a prit stick ( other glues are available ). and can be done from the comfort of the front room, we shall see. Here is what they propose. google earth street view of part of the terrace as it is today . photo shopped to make three parts, the bay window from another building again adjusted to fit to allow for it to wrap round the bay. a similar treatment to the rear of the terrace. This will all be done in a trice guv they say. This is what we have got.

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  6. Here is some historical background information on the line courtesy of Wikipedia.

    Westerham Valley Branch Line
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    This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations. (February 2012) [hide]Westerham Valley Branch Line 20px-BSicon_exKBHFa.svg.png   Westerham 20px-BSicon_exHST.svg.png   Brasted 20px-BSicon_exHST.svg.png   Chevening Halt 20px-BSicon_exSTR.svg.png     20px-BSicon_.svg.png 20px-BSicon_CONTr.svg.png 20px-BSicon_eABZ3lf.svg.png 20px-BSicon_BHFq.svg.png 20px-BSicon_CONTl.svg.png   Dunton Green 20px-BSicon_.svg.png   South Eastern Main Line
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    The Westerham branch in relation to other railway lines in Kent

    The Westerham Valley Branch Line was a short railway line in Kent that connected Westerham, Brasted and Chevening with the village of Dunton Green and the South Eastern Main Line, a distance of 4.5 miles (7.2 km).

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    History
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    Westerham Station in c1902

    Authorisation for the construction of the line was obtained in 1864, 1867 and 1870 by the South Eastern Railway (SER). No works having been undertaken by 1876, several local inhabitants, aware of the advantages of the railway and impatient for action, rallied together to sponsor a bill similar to the original 1864 bill.[1] The line was to be built in two phases: phase one from Dunton Green via Brasted to Westerham, and phase two covering the 4 miles from Westerham to Oxted, where it would join the Oxted Line, the construction of which had not by then been completed. However, the second phase was never realised due in part to opposition in the House of Commons and in part to the wet and marshy terrain between Westerham and Oxted.[2]

    The line was authorised on 24 July 1876 and the Westerham Valley Railway Company was formed to oversee its construction and to take over formal ownership. An agreement was then concluded in 1879 with the South Eastern Railway by which the latter would undertake the construction works and eventually operate the line. The actual cost of construction was in the region of £70,000 and the line opened on 7 July 1881. Initially, the service ran only from Westerham to Dunton Green where passengers wishing to travel to London Charing Cross (via Cannon Street) would have to change. Formal ownership of the line was transferred to the South Eastern Railway in August 1881 at which point the Westerham Valley Railway Company was dissolved.

    In 1899, SER merged with its bitter rival, the London, Chatham and Dover Railway (LCDR) to form the South Eastern and Chatham Railway (SECR).

    In 1923, the Westerham Valley Branch, together with its operators the SECR, became part of the Southern Railway at the grouping.

    Decline

    The Southern Railway was nationalised in 1948 and became the Southern Region of British Railways.

    The line began to suffer competition with buses, notably the 403 route which ran from Croydon via Sanderstead, Chelsham and Westerham to Sevenoaks, and as train fares rose dramatically from 1938, passenger numbers fell. By 1955 the line was reported to be losing £11,600 per month and a proposal was made to close it in April 1960. However, the Central Transport Users' Consultative Committee argued against this move, claiming that 200 passengers per day used the line.

    This advice was rejected by the then Minister of Transport, Ernest Marples, and the last day of operation of the line would be 28 October 1961. He rejected a petition against closure signed by almost 2,500 local inhabitants and presented by the MP for Sevenoaks, John Rodgers. The Minister claimed that service was losing £26,000 per year which was equivalent to £150 per passenger. One of the last trains to run was the "Westerham Flyer", a Class H 0-4-4T No. 31518 flying a Union Jack and bearing the notice "Flyer 1881-1961".

    Attempted revival Westerham Valley Railway Association
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    Flyer distributed by the Westerham Valley Railway Association in c1963

    In 1962, the Westerham Valley Railway Association, born of a merger between two local interest groups, the Westerham Branch Railway Passengers' Association and the Westerham Valley Railway Society, began to investigate the possibility of re-opening the line, staffed by volunteers, for commuters on weekdays and as a heritage railway at weekends between April and October. British Railways offered the ownership of the line for £30,000 on the basis that a commuter service would be provided, thereby allowing it to cease its subsidies of bus services which were now over-subscribed following the closure of the Westerham branch. In July 1962, British Railways granted a lease of Westerham Station building, which became the Headquarters of the Association. A lease of Brasted Station was also later agreed.

    Offer to purchase the line

    However, British Railways were later to change their policy regarding the disposal of disused branch lines and, as they had done with the Bluebell Railway, were no longer prepared to simply lease the line to a private operator. Instead, they now required an outright sale of the line to the Association for £53,000. Thanks to the help of an anonymous backer, the Association was able to put forward an offer of £30,000 for the track, buildings, land and branch platform at Dunton Green. British Railways accepted this offer subject to the condition that a commuter service be provided, thereby enabling it to cease its annual subsidy of £8,700 towards the additional bus services laid on following the line's closure.

    Intervention of the Kent County Council

    The withdrawal of the backer following the refusal of his planning application to develop land at Westerham Station cast serious doubt on the proposed re-opening. In the Association's Annual General Meeting on 2 November 1963, members were informed that efforts to raise the £30,000 plus £10,000 for equipment had failed. Furthermore, British Railways were now in talks with the Kent County Council regarding the sale of the line to enable the construction of the proposed "Orbital Motorway", what would later become the M25 motorway.

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    The A21 near Chevening crossing the route of the line running left to right

    More positive news was received later in November 1963 when it was revealed that not only had a new backer been found, but also that terms were agreed with British Railways for the sale of the land to the Association. However, one month later, Kent County Council contacted the Association and informed them that the Council's intended purchase of the land would save taxpayers the sum of £120,000 and, furthermore, that in the event British Railways were unwilling to sell the land to it, as had been intimated, compulsory purchase powers would be used. Faced with the prospect of a compulsory sale, British Railways now broke off negotiations with the Association and agreed to sell the line to the Council.

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    Westerham Valley Railway Association platform ticket

    However, in April 1964, the Council indicated their willingness to lease the line to the Association, thereby ensuring the line's continued existence if the Association were to come up with the cost of constructing a bridge over the railway cutting at Chevening to enable the Sevenoaks bypass to cross it. The cost of this bridge was estimated by the Council at £14,000, added to which was the annual rent of the line of £3,000. The estimate of £14,000 was revised upwards in August 1964, to a figure of £26,215 (equivalent to £355,800 in modern currency) which was to be paid by 24 August, otherwise works would commence to infill the cutting.

    Purchase of rolling stock

    In the meantime, the purchase of several former Metropolitan Railway coaches and a Class H 0-4-4 locomotive No. 31263 had been agreed and were awaiting collection. Initially, British Railways had allowed the stock to be stored at Dunton Green, but since the intervention of the Kent County Council, it became 'reluctant' to allow this and threatened to scrap the stock were it not collected. The coaches were loaned and later sold to the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway and the locomotive to the Bluebell Railway where it remains today.

    Final days

    By November 1964 the funds to construct the bridge had still not been found and, following the infilling of the Chevening cutting, the Association realised that their plans to re-open the line could no longer be realised. This was notwithstanding intervention by the MP for Faversham, Terence Boston, who unsuccessfully attempted to persuade the new Labour Minister of Transport, Tom Fraser, to hold an enquiry into the County Council's plans to convert the line into motorway.

    In autumn 1965, the Association merged with the Kent & East Sussex Railway Preservation Society. By March 1967 the railway track had been lifted and Westerham Station demolished. Works on the section of the M25 from Sundridge Road to Westerham commenced in December 1976 and were completed in December 1979.

    The line today
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    The Flyers Way road

    Save for the section taken by the M25, a surprising amount of the line still remains and it is possible to walk from Dunton Green as far as junction 5 on the motorway which is situated near Chevening. Nothing remains of the three stations, save for several houses in Railway Terrace, Westerham, near the site of the old station. The site of Westerham station is now covered by a road known as "The Flyers Way" after the train which ran on its final day of operation. Perhaps of additional interest to collectors of railway memorabilia is the extreme rarity of the former Southern Railway target station sign for Brasted, which currently (2008) holds the record of £3250 for the highest price paid at auction for such a sign. The site of Brasted station is now under the westbound hard shoulder lane of the M25 although the station approach road and site of the goods yard can be seen alongside the motorway. The site of Chevening Halt is now a field alongside the M25/A21 interchange although it is possible the platform may still exist buried when the cutting was infilled for the M25/A21 roadworks.

    References
    1. ^ Searle, MV (1983) Lost Lines: Anthology of Britain's Lost Railways, New Cavendish Books P42
    2. ^ Searle, MV (1983) Lost Lines: Anthology of Britain's Lost Railways, New Cavendish Books P43
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  7. An excellent and atmospheric layout; well done.

     

    Are you going to have a go at the push pull?

     

    I have only recently acquired the Oakmore Press book on the line (I live quite locally) and was most intriged to hear of that the line was for a brief period a preserved railway. Shame so much of it is underneath the M25 now as it looked much more peaceful in those grand videos that Cromptonut linked too.

    Another good book is Middleton Press. Orpington to Tonbridge including the branch line to Westerham IBSN 1-873793-03-0, I have put a letter to santa up the chimmney for a Push -Pull but i think it will probably go the same way as the world war two carrier pigeon message that the code breakers at Mi5 have got now !!
  8. Thank you all for your kind response to my half finished model of westerham station. if it evokes happy memories of a past era when the sun shone and the world was changing from black and white to colour so much the better. there is a fiddle yard to build the other side of the bridge.a small row of terraced houses. the left hand end of the board to finish. a few people and a small warehouse . and point control by rod and tube. I wish i hadnt waited so long to get started happy days..

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  9. Many thanks for encouragement, most of of my information on the line comes from two books. 1. Orpington to Tonbridge line by V Mitchell and Keith Smith

    2. The Westerham Valley Railway by D Gould. I have always wanted to build a model of this station and now have the time,it was my intention to build it in N gauge but I soon realised the eyes would not be up to it. Yes like the real line trains are few and far between I think they may appear at the same time as my birthday. Who can forget the traffic jams in Westerham high street caused by a special constable directing traffic at the junction of london road on bank holidays. Long Live Rock and Roll.

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