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If it's any help Ribblehead on the same morning in low morning light, grey tones and brick orange, not much obvious brown unless others see it differently.
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I've been lurking for a bit but had this snap from February before we all got locked away. Not a view of Arten Gill you see very often, from path to Whernside from Dentdale, but it shows how well it sits in the surroundings. Colour is not that obvious from a couple of miles away, but the viaducts in Dentdale are certainly more dark grey than brown, however the colour does seem to change with the light. Anyway experimenting to get a happy medium is all part of the fun.
Simon.
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Alex not sure how far you've got with planning, but this is an end view with a rare special arriving at the quarry in March this year. It gives some idea of track plan at North end. I have a few more shots of Cracoe which I'll load in next couple of days.
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On 14/11/2019 at 19:27, 67A said:
Hi all,
Slightly off topic for Dent but can anyone identify the locations of these photos, I am wading through thousands of old photos and the old grey cells are well grey even more!
I hope someone out there recognizes some of them, they may all be the same place to be honest.
Catching up on the Dent thread, and not sure you got the answer on these pictures, picture 2 IS the south end of Kingmoor Shed, the others are of the Fuel and Inspection shed (F&I to us locals) that was at the south end of Kingmoor Marshalling Yard and about a mile north of Kingmoor shed. This was the main stabling point for the Yard and in early 70's would host up to 50+ locos, that were normally left idling, in the sidings adjacent to the shed and immediately to the West.
I recall an old Fowler tender being used near the fuelling point in the early 70's. You would nearly always see classes 08, 24,25,26,27,37,40,45,46,47,50, and after 1974 also 81,82,83,84,85,86. Class 20's were not regular visitors but not unusual, unlike Brush 2 5634 that pitched up on a Saturday afternoon in 1973 to the amazement of the regulars.
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Another box in 4mm, this was constructed for the Carlisle project and can't remember the name of it :-).
Carlisle No.12 box. Absolutely spot on.
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In the opposite direction is a local service from Hellifield to Carlisle
The local is hauled by Stanier 2-6-4T No. 42437
Passing the box and slowing for the station stop
The Passengers are no doubt relieved there is a service back on.
As the local passes under the Coal Road bridge it looks like a serious accident has occurred on the road above - truth is it all got knocked about doing the backscene and I forgot to sort it out.
I need to look up the name of this stream.
Lastly we head into Rise Hill tunnel.
Needless to say there are several tweaks required on the backscene but given time all will be well.
Looks fantastic - I reckon the stream is Cow Gill Beck, which is just the sort of descriptive name you would expect in the high fell country. There has been a huge amount of forestry clearance in the Rise Hill area recently, which has opened up the previously conifer blighted landscape so it's more like the period you are modelling. Might have a trip up in next couple of weeks.
Simon
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The rather austere 1950's lines of the London Midland Type 15 signal box has always appealed to me, but I wanted something different to Bachmann's offering of Hest Bank. This is a model of the smaller 20 lever version, based on 2 x 10ft front panels and the shallow 11' depth. I've tried to capture a well used box that's a bit rough round the edges, well that's my excuse anyway,
Built round a perspex box with microstrip glazing and plasticard sheet from my spares box. Rudimentary interior is included, with Smith's etched levers the only purchased item.
It needs a signalman, and a suitable layout based around the Preston Division in the mid 70's.
Kingmoorkid
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Hi Simon.
There's no problem having you lurking in the backround - I suspect the vast majority on the Forum do that. And I well remember the photos you contributed re. the Blea Moor tunnel air vents on KL1.
That's a lovely photo you've just posted. And I quite agree about the background. It's slightly more magnificent than the one I've got (and the one I've just managed to splatter with a dozen or so paint spots from weathering!!) and makes the foreground railway area seem humble in comparison. The backscene on the wall at rear of the shed (as viewed in the last pic from my post # 4655) is the one I've splattered and, who knows, I might be tempted to change it when the layout approaches completion (that's a serious possibility).
I'll use my reply to you to stick in another pic, showing damp, grey ballast. When wet it's very difficult to see any contrast between the track and the 6 foot, though this will definitely need more work tomorrow.
Jeff
Thanks Jeff
Looking forward to the signal box build in near future - I suspect you won't be happy using a kit when you can do a bit of scratch building.
Simon
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I said I'd post some mundane pics, and here they are. I've literally gone round the bend - from the goods shed....
The ballast should be dry enough for some paint to be applied in an hour or so. Part of the main line that's already had a dose will get a little bit more.
Jeff
Jeff, its about time I got off the lurking shelf with this KL2 thread, which I have followed closely since day 1, but have made no contribution - rude of me I think. As I've enjoyed the trials and tribulations of both KL1 and KL2 I'd just like to say thanks for keeping us all updated and providing inspiration. I've been up to Kirkby Stephen a couple of times this year and it's an eye opener looking at some of the prototype detail you and are incorporating into KL2. Here's one moment that I was there to capture.
Now can we talk about that backscene!
Cheers
Kingmoorkid (Simon)
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In the days before Bachmann did bogies, I used ABS cast 'heavy-duty 9' bogies, which went together very nicely. I wish Hornby would re-visit this model; it was one of the best in the Lima range. I've done about ten of them up with new bogies. Some have the much-missed 'Blacksmith' detailing pack, with the louvres for the lower side.
Much missed? I got two of these etches last year from Cooper Craft for £5 each. Bargain. Put my modified Lima bodies onto old mainline chassis/bogies with appropriate buffers and rebuilt battery boxes. Worked for me.
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Couple of pics from today at Pontefract, layout has performed well barring a few "human errors" and the odd sticky coupling and seems to have gone down well with viewers. :-)
I don't bother with many shows but glad I did Pontefract on Sunday, some excellent layouts with Crinan up among the best on display in my opinion. Excellent scenery, well detailed rolling stock from my favourite era, and plenty going on. Thanks
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Good Morning,
I have been looking for other photographs of the Ilkley area and have been directed towards another site which contains some of F W Smith's collection. May be of interest to folks, it includes a shot of the engine shed from the Ben Rhydding end, showing the small building at the back of the shed. The link is http://www.davidheyscollection.com/page94.htm .
If anyone is interested, I shall be visiting the railway show at Hartlepool over the weekend. For those in the UK it is a good friendly show and well worth a visit. The link is http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/115792-hartlepool-model-railway-show/ .
Tom
Great reading this again, the David Hey web site is a mine of information and has some real gems, I have spent a few happy hours browsing (time well spent if you ask me), I have just noticed that Ilkley Shed closed on the day I was born, a mere 57 and a bit years ago, 26 of which I've lived in Ilkley. There is some sort of test train due into the station tonight around 1:00am followed by a scheduled leaf buster with a couple of class 20s at around 3:00am, I'm tempted to visit but good sense might prevail!
Simon
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Goday All
Thanks Kingmoorkid [is there nothing shorter we can call you]
I checked with the Gazette, it looks a real mess, lets hope
someone finds a good welder to put it back together.
Tom.
Those tanks do look good I would love to see a photo on a
train going under the footbridge
Ron
Simon - Kingmoorkid tells you where I spent my many hours in my teenage years. Some pictures taken before Northern Rail employees informed me that I wasn't allowed to take pictures of stations - just not worth the argument!
The rudimentary dimensions that I did manage to get are - height to bottom of rail 3 feet 4inches. From middle of uprights to middle of next upright 6inches - you can scale from picture on that basis. I didn't want to get my tape measure confiscated.....
The good news is that said Northern Rail employee was happy to discuss what happened and what's happening. The car hit the fence with such force that a 12" bit of it finished between that tracks luckily no one injured. Part of the fence has been removed for repairing and it will be restored, with other cracks in the same run attended to on return . They thought about recreating a new casting but cost was circa £10k so have decided to repair instead,
Simon
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I am happy to add some handrails/fencing to my etched sheet, even though I don't need them in the shed area it would be interesting to try drawing them and see how they come out. Does anyone have any dimensions? I am using a 0.3mm thick sheet though, and looking at Andrews photo in post 204 it definitely needs relief from both sides, so double thickness would be up to 1.8" which sounds feasible...
Cheers,
Pete
I am happy to add some handrails/fencing to my etched sheet, even though I don't need them in the shed area it would be interesting to try drawing them and see how they come out. Does anyone have any dimensions? I am using a 0.3mm thick sheet though, and looking at Andrews photo in post 204 it definitely needs relief from both sides, so double thickness would be up to 1.8" which sounds feasible...
Cheers,
Pete
I'll pop out and measure and photograph the fences tomorrow. Might get some strange looks from M&S shoppers!
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G,day All
Did I not read somewhere that the railings or hand rails around the subway slopes had bean reused between platform 2 & the car park ??
If not, it should have, instead of scraping it all. The more I look at all the Photos of the dereliction of the station from the late 70s the more
I think, the supermarket and other changes, was a good idea. It keeps the back bone of the original structure .
Tom
Did you know The original W H Smith book stall was against the wall between platform 1 &2, underneath the big clock until the early 50s
when it burnt down
Later Ron.
The railings were indeed reused and run about half way down the Car park/Platform. Yesterday someone managed to lose control of their car whilst parking and demolished about 12 feet of railings - we shall whether it is repaired to maintain the splendid Victorian style or simply bodged.....
Kingmoorkid
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You certainly have a point. I have been looking at photos of the shed and looking particularly for the consistency of length of the brick/stone used, sadly I cannot find a photo where there is a sufficiently large area that is clean enough to follow the mortar pattern for more than three or four layers. Does any one have a suitable photograph and then I think we may have the answer.
Tom
Tom
I can recommend page 55 of FW Smith and Martin Barstow's book on the Ilkley and Otley Joint railway which was published by Martin Barstow in 1992, This has a photograph by J Davenport of the shed in June 1953 with good detail of the mortar courses and construction. I'm aware of copyright on this but having given this the acknowledgments I have, I'm attaching a copy of part of this photograph as it is good reference and quite revealing:
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The plot thickens indeed.
I felt sure we'd cracked that stone/brick shed issue! Mind you - do we have faith in a website that tells us that the access to the shed was via the station platform? Surely there would have been an entrance to the shed area from Railway Road?
I found some useful stuff on one of the other forums all about ammonia tanks. I will post a link once I refind it!
Thanks for the gen on the tree trunk loading. I wonder where the trees came from. It would have been a bit of a mission to bring them through the town to then load them on a train. Can't think of too many loggable forestry blocks near Ilkley!
More in a bit.
Cheers
Andrew
The brick/stone issue should be resolved by the following picture
This type of stonework is fairly typical in the town for buildings built at the same time as the shed. The stones are very consistently sized in height, similar to a typical brick. Builders can still source these and a number of modern extensions to older properties have been built using them.
This is the back wall of Mortens btw which was next to the route of Skipton line.
Kingmoorkid
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I haven't been on line much recently, but can confirm the wall at Skipton end of station has a curve in northern wall as described with last four arches after the underpass turning gently, I guess deflection is about 4 or 5 feet.
Has the Rails in the Dales Flickr site been viewed - well worth a browse. https://www.flickr.com/groups/railsinthedales/pool/page1
Plenty of Ilkley pictures from 60/70's and some internal views of the Shed.
Kingmoorkid
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Thanks for the photos. It's great to be able to check details from the other side of the world!
I agree that the view down Railway Rd shows a straight wall, but what really happens beyond the old subway entrance? We need a shot or two in the other direction
This is the bit I'm interested in. I agree with the other posters who reckon there's a bit of a bend on this last bay. Certainly that's how it looks on the aerial photos and my ancient old plan.
The problem with the Google car is that it drive in the middle of the road, not rather more helpfully along the footpath!
If anyone else is after the plan I have (which is a work of art in itself, to be honest) I will set up a dropbox and post a link to it. I also have a version for AutoCAD if that'll help anybody. And - always conscious of hijacking your thread Pete, it includes the shed area too!
Cheers
Andrew
I'll take a few photos tomorrow - the wall doesn't exist much further than shown in above photo its now an opening to a loading bay for M&S and a retail shop currently being converted to yet another restaurant - there must now at least 20 eating establishments in the town already.
We seem to have hijacked the original thread but all adds to the general theme I think.
KK
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Old computer comes to the rescue....
This is the view along Railway Road from point east of Coal Drops/footbridge showing curve in wall that follows the curve in the road. At the end it kicks slightly out.
001.JPGThis is a view from effectively the end of platform 4 over the Coal drops.
003.JPGLovely patna - a weathering challenge for you.
002.JPGThis is the point where main wall ends at the coal drops.
006.JPGI'll sort some more pictures out of 'town' end showing buildings and more detail.
Regards
KK
Dead straight I reckon....
Pointing West.
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Kiwirail, I went out this AM with camera - once I work out how to resize in Win 10 Photo editor I'll post. LMS29 is spot on with his description, the wall at the station is dead straight to the coal drops, which are set back from Railway Road, then it carries on on same line to a point just after the footbridge then it curves gently from a point opposite Golden Butts Rd towards the site of the old signal box but then kicks out slightly following curve of road.
The buildings on Brook Street are pretty much as they were with a couple of additions where new premises have been built where the original bridge abutments used to stand, its still possible to see old adverts painted on one of the building ends.
Think I'll have to revert to Win8 for resizing, I'm either daft or Microsoft seem to have eliminated the most useful feature in photo Editor with their latest 'upgrade'!
Old computer comes to the rescue....
This is the view along Railway Road from point east of Coal Drops/footbridge showing curve in wall that follows the curve in the road. At the end it kicks slightly out.
This is a view from effectively the end of platform 4 over the Coal drops.
Lovely patna - a weathering challenge for you.
This is the point where main wall ends at the coal drops.
I'll sort some more pictures out of 'town' end showing buildings and more detail.
Regards
KK
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You're right, it does look as though there is a bit of a curve there on Google. Need some eyes on the ground. It'll be interesting what Kingmoorkid comes up with!
I'd be interested in any photos of the buildings around the top end of Brook St. My model will go up as far as the Grove, but not on the south side. I'm lacking information on the buildings on both sides of Brook St between the old railway bridge and the Grove. When I am next back in the UK I shall go on a fact finding mission, but until then, any shots of these buildings will help build a mental picture! Happy to fwd my email address if anyone wants to avoid cluttering this forum.
Cheers
Andrew
Kiwirail, I went out this AM with camera - once I work out how to resize in Win 10 Photo editor I'll post. LMS29 is spot on with his description, the wall at the station is dead straight to the coal drops, which are set back from Railway Road, then it carries on on same line to a point just after the footbridge then it curves gently from a point opposite Golden Butts Rd towards the site of the old signal box but then kicks out slightly following curve of road.
The buildings on Brook Street are pretty much as they were with a couple of additions where new premises have been built where the original bridge abutments used to stand, its still possible to see old adverts painted on one of the building ends.
Think I'll have to revert to Win8 for resizing, I'm either daft or Microsoft seem to have eliminated the most useful feature in photo Editor with their latest 'upgrade'!
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Hi again chaps
I'm looking at my plan here and could do with something checking, if anyone is going to be in Ilkley at any stage soonish.
What I am wondering (and I don't have a good photo of this to check) is if the wall on the north side of the station (above Railway Road) is dead straight or whether it is curved very slightly in plan. The drawings I do have indicate that the wall began to curve southwards at about the point where the subway went down through platform 4 and exited through the bottom of the wall and out onto the street.
Now - given that this section is within the overall roof, it seems a bit unlikely that the designers would have put a curve in the wall, as it would have made the roof a bit narrower at the western end and obviously a bit more difficult to construct.
If anyone has a good photo of the Railway Road frontage or maybe inside the supermarket or on the old Platform 4, this might clear up this query for me. I've had a good search through my archives and I've nothing that is unequivocal in this area.
Cheers
Andrew
I'm live in Ilkley Kiwirail - think the wall is dead straight but I'll go scouting with my camera tomorrow and post results. Might get some odd looks taking some snaps in Marks and Sparks though!
Anything else you want photoing?
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70805 made its debut on the logs today, took me by surprise and made a nice change from the Class 60 haulage that's been running since April, Colas have indulged us on these workings over the past few years with 47s, 56s, 60s, 66s and now 70s (and a few double and triple headers as an extra bonus).
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Tarnhouse (Hallbankgate) Brampton Rly circa 1947
in UK Standard Gauge Industrial Modelling
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A railway that has interested me since I first saw trackbed and bits of infrastructure in the 70's. Nothing much seems to have changed up there since, still plenty of remains to see and bits of the route are walkable, with some footpaths round Tindale now on the old trackbed.
I'm guessing that those interested will have seen Ernie Brack's site on Flickr, if not he has an Album on the Brampton Railway with 30+ images.
I'll be following progress.