Lodekka

Taking a number of well made points from our learned colleagues above posts, there is another factor that could affect us all going forward.

Doom-mongers should look away now.

One contributor mentioned event insurance, it is a possibility that show organisers may need to have health statement/ proof of vaccination etc for layouts / traders etc ( may not be able to force the public to prove immunity) but who knows what the shiny suits might dream up.. a bit like when you travel abroad and needing to prove what you have been inoculated against.

Even a venue may insist upon such things, who knows.

As a show organiser planning an event in April next year, I am somewhat sceptical it might proceed.

Hey -ho at least I am getting some modelling done and started a garden railway, so it is not all bad news.

Keep safe and well

Not if you leave the meter on the DCV RANGES!!

or you CURRENTLY won’t have an OHM to go to.

OK OK, I’ll get my coat.

keep safe and well all.

Well done Andy, just added my donation.

regards

Nigel (LMRC)

Luton MRC are regrettably announcing that their bi-ennial multigauge exhibition on 18th April at Stopsley School is cancelled due to the current health risk situation.

At present, the roving ‘7mm only’ show for April 2021 is still planned to go ahead.

For more detail see our webpages

www.lutonmodelrailwayclub.org.uk

Hi Rod,

Was hoping to to get to MIGO last weekend, but unfortunately had other tasks in the way, heard it was very good. 

Also would have liked to have seen Apethorne jct again.... grrr.

i am hoping to meet up with Dave H. at Letchworth with OKSP, will you be there?

Good to hear you now have a 116 unit - look forward to seeing progress on that.

Regards

Nigel

Oi Craig!,

Sorry mate, you dropped out of the queue for the 115 unit... 

i sharked in whilst you weren’t looking. <grin>

Rod... i have a 506 unit (Manchester-Glossop) if you install some 1500v catenary...

happy to bring that over for some gauging trials...

equally i I have a CL77.... now that could be fun.

ok, i’ll Get my coat...

‘Nigel

Hi Rod,

Just seen the layout article in the Gazette, looks really good...

Shows off all those lovely DMU’s.

Look forward to seeing part 2 (you are going to do a part 2 aren’t you?)

Nigel

Hi Rod,

Been away from your excellent pages fro some time so it is indeed a revelation to come back and see more progress.

Still think you need a bus somewhere on the road at the back...

I do like the CL101 DMU, Dave Hampson has made a very nice job of it.

Interior lighting helps set it off nicely - yes I concur with another poster who suggested it would be enhanced with people.

If you do, take a look at Claudia Everett, she paints the most exquisite detail onto figures.

One of the very best in the business. https://artcice.wixsite.com/cice

I hadn't realised you were at GOG Telford, if had realised I would have invited you over for a chat and a play on my layout

L13 Willowbrook Marsh. Another time maybe.

Enjoy Apethorne this weekend at Daves' school. Sad I can't get along (decorating no:2 daughters bedroom ).

We are showing our club layout 'Central Works' at Letchworth next month (30th) and David will be there with OKSP

so we hope to get together.

Keep up the good work with WKT.

Nigel

4pp A5 Central Works Brochure v.02 lo-res.pdf

Hi Rod, looking good... Layout developing well!

Btw, the bus is not a kit... it comes as you see it in the pictures. All you add are dog rails and mirrors plus number plates, fleet names and destinations to suit your taste.

Regards

Nigel

On 10/02/2019 at 09:32, Jon Fitness said:

Hi Nigel, is that the St Petersburgh collection model of the Bristol L? 

Cheers 

Jon F 

Hi Jon,Turns out it actually is. I got out my existing model of the UCOC one I have on my layout and compared them...

The images above are the genuine article, even I was slightly taken aback.

Must concentrate a bit more! ;-)

Oh, wow, that's brought back memories!!!  We used to go on these (operated by Crosville) from Edge Lane bus station in Liverpool to Prestatyn or Colwyn Bay for our annual holidays when I was a kid.   Always got stuck in traffic queues at the bridge at Queensferry!!   (Over the River Dee, between Cheshire and N Wales, not the Scottish one!!)

 

"Crozzy" buses, we used to call them.

 

I think you said that is a Radley Models one, Nigel, but I can't find it on their website.  Have they stopped doing them?    I've found the St Petersburg Tramway one (actually Crosville liveried) but the price made my eyes water!!!

 

As I've said, a Crosville one would look good on the layout, but there again, I've not got that much road space so one wouldn't be missed!!

 

Thanks for the pics.

 

 

Rod

Hi Rod, agreed, I have the St.P one and it is a really nice model but expensive.

These were imported by Watling St Models, Telford some while back but I haven’t seen them recently advertised, I guess the high price is a barrier. You’ll see below it is Scale Link, not Radley who does the more attractively priced version.

I know the bridge over the Dee at Queensferry, always a bottleneck. I spent time at Sealand and along the coast with a friend at Llandudno so came across plenty of Crosville buses. Plus where they filmed one of the ‘On the buses’ films in Prestatyn.

Later on, my 2nd daughter looked at Bangor Uni so we were up there again, although she ended up in Scarborough at an annexe of Hull Uni so it was then United buses... Same look - just change of livery.

As I said, mine is a United Counties model, but the real one is a Thames Valley...

How’s the modelling going? ‘Bout time for a bit more DMU action...

Regards

Nigel

Tryhttps://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/O-scale--1-43--New-resin-cast-Buses.html

Dave

Ah, thanks, you are right... it is Scale link, Radley do the LT ones.

Regards

Nigel.

Was that gentleman from Hayle in Cornwall called Keith by any chance? 

 

If so, hi Keith!!

 

PM to you to follow, Nigel.

 

 

Rod

 

EDIT:   the PM is not about Keith, by the way!!!

Hi Rod, could quite easily have been but once we got talking I completely forgot his name!...

As previous dsicussion, here are some 1:43 bus images I mentioned...

So let me know what you think.

Regards

Nigel

Nigel have you looked at the Class 124 six car set kit producted by Mike Hughes

 

https://www.jandmhughesogauge.com/

 

Off to Bristol this morning so hoping to have a look at what Mike does in his line up, as last time I looked it was impressive

 

I do remember those unit climbing out of Lime Street and yes with all power cars it did rattle the roof with a cracking rasp. The current TransPennine 185 units that pass through Hudds sound really good. The idling is good and even better going out West up the bank up T'hill. It's alost like they tuned the pipes to get a pleasant note

Hi, thanks for this, yes, I know of JandM but personally they are not my ‘cup of tea’ for constructional methods. I too was at Bristol and spent a short time bending the ear of Shaun at Easybuild once more - he is definitely on the case, but has an issue with origination of the ends at present, but he is working on it...

Bristol was a good show once again and well attended, our gang picked up a few bargains and I also got to meet a gentleman from Hayle in Cornwall ( contributor to this thread) so it was nice to put a name to a face... And of course DMU’s were a topic of conversation as was this excellent layout,

Thanks for the contact.

Nigel

Hi Nigel.

 

Thanks for your kind and positive comments about my layout and thread - you've given me a kick up the backside to get going again!!  (See next post).

 

Glad you got to see and have a play on Dave's layout:  it's a cracker and I've operated on it a few times - and also on Apethorne Junction.  But Dave probably already told you that!!  

 

As for buses, I'd like a Crosville one or two for the layout but I'm not sure there are any in 1:43 scale.  Single or double deck, I wouldn't mind.  Was the Lodekka the one that had a sunken passageway along the side upstairs, with long bench seats?  The one that you always bumped your head on when standing up downstairs, in spite of the notices telling you to mind your head when leaving your seat!!!

 

Glad to hear you're also into DMUs.  Whose kit is the 103?  And the 127: is Shawn doing that for you? (Fond memories of the 127 - I used to drive one - well, a power car, anyway - at Llangollen.)  Is Shawn actually doing a 124?  Or is it just a wish on your part?  If he did, I'd have a 5-car, but only because I couldn't fit 6 cars in my platform!!!  Isn't Steve Beattie planning to bring out a Derby Lightweight kit? 

 

If you are up this way, by all means get in touch:  I'd be more than happy to let you have a play on the layout.  Plus I could probably run to a biscuit or two with the tea!!!      And there's the village pub less than 2 minutes' walk away!!!  

 

Rod..

Hi Rod, glad to hear you have a kickstart for your mojo - it often happens that we all phase in and out of ‘the mood’ to model. Usually not the best time to do detailed stuff if you are not ‘in the zone’. Besides, it’s a hobby, not a job for most and we do it ‘cos we like it.

Just to add a bit about the buses... the Lodekka had traditional seating both upstairs and down (2 per side), it was its predecessor, the Bristol K type that had the 4 across and sunken gangway. Our group doesn’t have one of those but I have driven a friends one quite a

lot.

The LWL I have is its single deck version of the K, pure 1930’s styling inside, made up until 1952 the design stayed pretty much as prewar... My vehicles aren’t Crosville i’m afraid, United Counties instead, from my stamping ground as a youngster growing up.

The RE is one of my favourites as it had a most wonderful exhaust note when accelerating hard in 2nd gear that sounded like a DMU rasp, it could rattle windows and set off car alarms in narrow streets - wonderful... I made sure I got the correct exhaust to make mine do it .

Turning to DMU’s, the 127 is actually a Westdale kit, subtly different layout and underwear to the 115 with Rolls Royce engines and torque convertors it haven’t yet found a DCC soundfile that is suitable (no gear changes - at least until 45mph when the final drive lockup occurred) so if you come across anyone who does one i’d like to know. Also they were Red Triangle coupling codes so can’t run in multiple with anything else... ( you may know they were originally blue square like most others but after some spectacular gearbox destructions due to overrunning mechanical units they were coupled to in the early days, they were re-classified)...

The 124 is a pipe dream at present, i’m Leaning on Shaun at Easybuild to do it along with a few other people and I hope he is weakening... really would like a full 6 car one - imagine the DCC sound from all the cars that carried an engine, awesome!

I have to say that from personal experience (and others views) I would find it hard to take on a Steve Beattie kit of anything - they are a challenge to say the least - I hadn’t heard that he was planning a DMU and a lightweight has already been done by others so it’s an odd choice.

My 103 is an early kit like David Hampson’s , it is already DCC but need fettling with an interior.. currently is it in BR blue but I am contemplating stripping it when I do the interior and add lights, smoke etc. And they will all be green with whiskers or small yellow ends.

Thanks for the kind offer of a play/operate if I am around the area - much appreciated.

Don’t know if you mak any of the shows but we/I will be at Bristol this weekend with a layout ‘Penpoll Quay’ and then Kettering in March with my layout ‘Willowbrook Marsh’, please come and say hello if you are there...

Will follow your developments with much interest - keep going.

BTW, was expecting a left side rugby tackle from Craig about the 115...

Regards

Nigel

Its a shame that 1:48 and 1:50 are the established scales for die cast collectors where commercial vehicles are concerned. With Oxford Die cast issuing a 1:43 coach this year I am hopefull this will change. I am sure there is a market for 1:43 Bristol Lodekka, Bristol RE and Leyland National buses

 

Paul R

Hi, been lurking since the start but never posted here until now...

You’ve got Dave Hampton @ OKSP to thank for that. I spent a very happy hour at the CMRA show in Stevenage playing with his

on OKSP ( also a fabulous layout & Apethorne junction) I covet them all.

First i’d like to say this is a fabulous piece of work - I really like this layout and the DMU’s are fabulous ( barging Craig out of the way to be first in the queue to get the 115 unit ;-), well done Rod - great work and a very good read... all 79 pages of It!

So 1:43 buses then...

Well if anyone wants a Bristol Lodekka (FS) or an RELL to measure up, I have them both, plus an older LWL...

Will definitely follow this thread with renewed interest.

Did I say I liked the DMU’s.. Oh I did...

I have 103 and 105 on the go plus a few early derby lightweights but the piece d resistance will be the 127 bedpan unit to match your 115... that is until Easybuild do the 124 Transpennine 6 car...

If I am ever up that way again ( used to live in Burnley) i’ll Definitely beg to come by for a cuppa and a play.

Super layout and thread - keep it up!

Regards

Nigel

I wasn’t at the railway station as I made clear in my post.

I have no doubt that the show was a good one and I look forward to the next at a new venue.

Sorry, perhaps I was not quite clear either...

I was operating the station shuttle, BUT at the time you mentioned, I was assisting in clearing the queue at the A14 overflow car park with our double decker and was simply pointing out that unfortunately you had perhaps just left for home as larger vehicles took over this service and cleared the backlog.

Just a shame it happened the way it did, as soon as the event organisers became aware of the problem, there were efforts in place to resolve it.

Best regards and we hope to be able to offer you a suitable lift another time...

I arrived at the overflow car park at 13.30. The was a large queue of very cold and damp people waiting for a small mini-bus to depart. It was clear that I could expect a long wait in the rain before getting a seat on the bus, so I decided to drive around the car park (which is itself a building site) and go home.

Non too impressed, sorry.

Sir, sorry to hear that you felt the need to go home again immediately after arriving at the venue. As the driver of the preserved bus operating the station shuttle,it seems you perhaps were a little to impatient... maybe you could have waited in your vehicle until the shuttle arrived.

Just for clarification of what transpired, and to bolster the event organisers efforts at resolving a situation that developed.

This what happened from my perspective...

The bus was providing the rail station connection.

There was a 19 seat minibus laid (no doubt at originally unplanned additional cost to the show organisers) to provide the link to the overflow car parking in the A14 compound because of the waterlogged secondary car park at the main site.

This operated during the morning and indeed struggled to cope with the larger than expected visitors arriving simultaneously.

As soon it was realised that the minibus was not coping with the numbers of people , the driver returned to his depot and fetched a large coach to provide greater capacity. Whilst this was taking place, the bus from the rail station took over and cleared the backlog in one journey (incidentally, the crew of which gave up their break period to provide the support until the shuttle coach returned)...

This was around the time you suggested, so it looks like you were unfortunate.

The larger coach coped well for the rest of the day and on the Sunday, again with a couple of additional trips from our vehicle.

Just for the record, we maintained all our advertised service times in addition to this.

The St.Neots team should be congratulated in coping with the situation in a responsive manner as it developed.

I`m sure they have learned from this unexpected consequence of being popular and will factor it into any future show planning provision.

This was a very good show with some stunning layouts, so sorry that you missed it.

I had talked myself out of buying an 08 until I saw a glue-stained one cheap on the Dapol stand at our local model show.   Fortunately the stain was just behind the exhaust, so a mist of black paint from my airbrush covered the stain and looked like exhaust dirt.

 

I mostly use DC, but wanted the red and white shunting marker lights on both ends rather than the directional top marker light.   I considered using batteries, but as I have a DCC controller, thought I may as well install a chip.

 

I noted helpful advice by Lodekka on this topic.

 

One is post #1054, comes on page 43 on my computer.

 

The other I cannot find again, but fortunately I saved it in a Word document

 

Hope I've made all this clear and that it helps somebody.   Thanks to Lodekka for the posts mentioned above;  none of this would have been possible without them.

Glad my ramblings were of use, I've done three of these now along with DCC sound conversion and stored charge lighting and a separate DCC/ DC switch for other layout running...

Regards

Lodekka

Good question about the cab CME.  I just painted a driver figure and I'm starting to mull over weathering mine.  It would be nice to be able to remove/dismantle the cab - I just haven't got round to investigating yet.

 

John

There was a blow by blow description of how to dismantle the whole thing in previous posts when the 08 first came out, hopefully that may be of help.

Regards

Ah well, I'll get my coat...

All done here bar the shouting...

Returns to cave to contemplate his misery, and plot the hostile takeover of LLC by Dapol.

Was fun while it lasted...

Sorry Low Decker, if you look at the 3D image it's obviously a 22, it's fitted with spoked wheels. I was just slightly pulling the legs of those on here who were hoping for a BD.

 

Project 22 is building a 22, they would hardly put up images of a 23 bogie would they ? They have let the cat out of the bag, either by accident or design.

 

Steve has said that the mystery type 2 has no ER connections. He has also recently said the new loco has " 8 versions of the nose to consider "

 

The prosecution rests its case....:-)

Hi Toffee,

Of course, I would agree that a CL22 recreation group would naturally show CAD model of its own items.

But I was simply highlighting the major differences between the types.

Also agreed that it was previously stated that the new LLC model would not be an ER based loco.

I just hoped it wouldn't be a CL22.

Plea for clemency from the dock M'lud.

Anyone on the Project 22 Facebook page last night would have seen a very good 3D graphic of a 22 model bogie.........so it's a baby Deltic then....

Not :-)

Gentlemen, gentlemen, order please...

A couple of facts if I may be so bold.

The CL22 was a North British loco with MAN engines and hydraulic transmission.

Known in some circles as Baby Warships, although a less common term.

The CL23 was an English Electric loco with a Napier engine.

Known widely as a Baby Deltic.

Key points are that the CL22 was western region based, CL23 was eastern region based.

Both classes are/were extinct and therefore both candidates for frothing....

Projects currently exist for recreation of both types.

The key pointers here are the engine and transmissions, that will be the differentiator once all is known...

The case for the defence rests M'lud...

Thanks John, very kind, but they are the 08, 31 and 47! Waaay bigger...

I have instructions for all three of these if you don't find yours or can't get MMP/David P. To assist...

Regards

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