Graham456

On 25/08/2022 at 19:24, hayfield said:

 

Graham456 

 

Start one, but will it be Wills, Wills Finecast or Southeastern Finecast ?

Well if this thread about Keyser kits can acomadate a bit of flexibility as in autocom and now  newcast partners, why not. if I don't get beaten to it I will start a thread off but am put off by my ancient I pads lack of posting abilities for pictures due to its creeking power and inability to do somethings , it's a bit like some of my locos Old but still working, the flanges might grumble on the chairs but it still goes.

Hayfield good luck in finding anything out I can't help you with knowage but will be intrested in reading it as a owner of several locos of theirs, can I remember car kits from back in my working in a model shop days (1980-81)

22 hours ago, hayfield said:

 

 

Sorry but I have just seen a Typo

 

I said a Westdale as another guess, it should have read Westward !!!

You know I never even noticed that! Westdale made coaches in O I think ?

i automatically looked at westward kits even though you put westdale so it didn't matter and I think it is one of them

but back to Keyser pannier fun, she is now remotered with a DS10 running the K's gears after letting the bearing fit go off, a bit fast on the top speed but better,than the bin filler you wonder how much profit was wasted on developing such a all full thing, true a nice gearbox would be miles better, but the cost of the gearbox undoubtedly wheels as I can't see them likeing coming on and off to often, I might as well replace the plank chassis with a nice etched one  O! And whilst about plonk a Bachman body on top.

 No she stays as is, putting pick up on all wheels made the greatest inprovment 

only wire loop couplings and my period piece will hit the road apart from needing some numbers as 9705 isn't quite right but I do have a bodyline kit for one more of them (condensing pannier) to build,to add to the other two sat on Bachman chassis.

5 hours ago, Barclay said:

 

Re: a Wills kit thread - why not start one ?!

 At the moment I am busy with keysers kits as said earlier currently I thinking about motors for the pannier, whilst distracted by giveing pick-up on all wheels, rather than the outer four which may be a factor in the hesitat running, other than the motor factor, 

also distracted by the postman just arriving with more from Hattons bargain  sale,,,,guess what it's only another blooming keyser kit built, that I never built when you could get them, £36 for a 55xx with what looks like through the gap DS10 again.and romfords,

 it's a bit glossy and the top of the tanks is green rather than black  which shouldn't be a problem to sort along with blacking down the nickel wheel rims, interest ly yet again double number plates 5570 on top of 5546 anyone  know of these locos were any different from each other as to which set to stick on

  Re wills thread,,, with the 55xx came two more stars 4056 princess Margaret with a dinged cab roof  and 4056 princess Augusta  with what looks like brass hamblins wheels which probably  dates its age and one name plate missing, but then £25 of reasons why it came my way. 

I must sort the pannier out before touching  the stars or 55xx,,,,,O sugar I have already prized the double number plates off !

On 22/08/2022 at 13:38, Steamport Southport said:

 

Comet Castle chassis fits the Star.

 

https://www.wizardmodels.ltd/shop/locomotive/lcp24/

 

https://www.wizardmodels.ltd/shop/locomotive/lf24/

 

 

 

Jason

Funny you should post that........yesterday was spent going through my stars. Five of them ! Four from wills,of south east Finecast and one recent arrival with the etched chassis, this was numbered 4038 Queen Berengaria fine! But it had the cut out in the cab steps and a extra hole in the frames below the valve rocker hole makeing it one of the first twenty, so wrong name!

 Gently prising the number plate off revealed 4014. Underneath Interesting  I then looked harder at the name plate I had pinged off, and that to was double thickness, result and thank you who ever renamed it before selling it to Hattons, it came off cleanly and the loco is now back as Friday Night , or Knight of the Bath.which is correct for the cab steps and cut out.

  The Keyser pannier has also had open hart surgery! And the HP2m is in the bin, whilst I decide weather to risk removing the wheels from their axels with fingers crossed that the plastic spokes don't brake  as I don't really want to spend fifty quid on wheels for a twenty six pound loco or just try getting away with a motor transplant  let you know!

P S I need a what have you done with you Wills kit thread!

Rodneys thanks for that ...a  cunning plan is forming !

1/16 is 1.588 mm so I might rip the motor out some when over the next couple of days and use one of my 1.5mm shafted motors with a bit of bearing fit lockseal with a pad of miliput to seat the motor on as by useing the keyser gears I have no motor mount, wondering as I type this is a ds10 a inprovment ?  Remember chaps it's still a K's kit that's not worth a portescap though my two 44xx and a bulldog run lovely with them!

44 minutes ago, RodneyS said:

I'm fairly certain the HP2M had a 1/16'' dia shaft.

I remember enlarging the hole in a 1.5mm worm once (many years ago I hasten to add) so it would fit the K's shaft.

Rodney

Thanks Rodney, when it comes to it between coming out the loco and meeting the bin I have to measure the shaft ,I was just trying to plan ahead with a motor change but no one has yet owned up to knowledge of HP2M not that I blame them

HP2M wonder what HP1M was as that name didn't apply to the double ended motors that came before it .......unmade bigger disaster?

46 minutes ago, hayfield said:

 

Chris at High Level does cheap small motors with 1mm shafts*, however will be much better if you use one of his Compact gearboxes. Hp2M motors do come on to the market if you want to keep it original.

 

Southeastern Finecast Locos fall into 2 categories. The Revised locos which include an etched chassis and usually additional parts. The Star falls into the non-revised kits and still requires a Triang/Hornby B12 chassis. It may be a from another company (M&L or Westdale ?) or even have a aftermarket etched chassis

NO THANKS !

i don't want to keep it that original! I could keep it original by not changing the one that's in there keeping the original crap running abilities I do have a high level gearbox I could put in it but actually when poked the gear set runs quietly it just has a rice pudding skin non disturbing motor and changing the gear set might up the wheels hence the mad thought of only changing the motor

 hum ! Westdale for the star? I have a look at my Scott,s chassis for similar pointers, the only GWR M&L locos I have are 850.tanks or No111 nether likely to give clues, but thanks for the pointer as it definitely isn't S E Finecast if the kit hasn't been upgraded to many suble differences in the castings from my wills locos

What have you done ! With ?

only gone and bought another blooming one.......AGAIN !

total now 34 keyser locos ......

well I some how never had a pannier from K's so when a e,mail came through from Hattons about a sale which had for one at £26.it looked O,K inconsistent runner, one day later the postman handed it to me along with a star which I am yet to work out whose make it is as their are differences in the castings from my Wills kits not to mention etched chassis for both loco and tender, might be updated south eastern finecast but theirs differences in the footplate and tender castings from my Wills locos,

 anyway back to K'. pannier, opening up reviled the problem  why the running was inconsistent HP2M....now what !

tempted to, well no I will replace the motor for sure as I have in all my kits that came with them even did that when I was young Lad, but hear I am tempted to keep the Keyser wheels and even the gear set for mad originality reasons, after all the loco is never going to even look up to the Bachman pannier and fit another motor if a can find a replacement motor withthe HPcrap2 motors shaft size don't suppose anyone knows of the top of.your heads, the reason I just want to change the motor is so I don't disturb the wheels, Romfords will cost more than the loco and ruin  its look 

27 minutes ago, Rowsley17D said:

 

Graham, Dia 306 is a sleeper wagon, 8tons, 11ft wheel base with full drop-down sides. Dia 307 is the same but only the top 3 planks drop down there's no door.

Right !

so on the wagon I have only the top three planks drop down making it a dia 307. Even though it's Branded store ,sleepers ? I can just about make out that only the top part might fold through the paint as the bottom three planks have corner plates,more reason to get the paint stripper out ! To get rid of. The lettering Thanks for correcting me that's  one question solved before I incorrectly redo them 

but what about the other two six plankers with no doors in the sides what diagram are they please

Interrupting things  about box van and the bars I bought a couple of wagons at Exeter toy fair for £2.50 and have just built the slaters d299  wagons and am awaiting the paint to dry before putting the M  R  livery on them , but I also picked up three also I guess Slaters midland liveried wagons which also have the hallmarks of being slaters kit builds but are of a longer wheelbase than the currant kit available haveing a 12" foot wheelbase one is easily identifiable as its branded as.  Stores, Sleepers  so is a dig 307 with its foldable drop side, but the other two with the same wheelbase have a plane side with maybe a central door? Paint is a bit thick until I attack them!

 Can't find the in my midland wagon book but that might because I only have volume two so theirbound to be in vol one ! Can anyone tell me what digram wagon thy are please so I can refinish them once the tar brush effect is off !

cheers mates

Well thank you all especially 5050 and the johnster for temptation dangling  , so I have bought a D,J,H Barclay 14"  loco I have just spent ages this morning reading the industrial section  shame I didn't look in their first ,  but then knowing where to look is easy if you know what to look for ! I mean fancy a industrial loco turning up in the industrial section ???? DOH !

21 hours ago, MarkC said:

 

A loco with her name on, though, might score some brownie points...

Mark

I am Well a head of you here! 

aged three I was given a Little  blue loco named Nellie. Who still races around fifty seven years on, 

and I am married to a Nell !

now hopefully back to the who made the Barclay fingers crossed!

1 hour ago, Paul H Vigor said:

Is there a photo perchance? 🥸

Sadly I am useing very ancient I pad 6 which I think is eleven years old and I have never found out how to reduce the image size from what this thing takes to a acceptable file size particularly with a line speed of 2mb only if the kids in the hamlet aren't online !

i know a picture is worth a thousand words particularly as it would show the interesting gear drive the top after all is a Barclay just like the Hattons one even with the same size cylinders as Hattons though I understand Hattons use the same size for all the variations of cylinder size that  Barclay made

so at the mo no pictures but fibre was being installed at the end of May!!!

2 hours ago, 41516 said:

DJH did a Barclay as the WM

steam starter alongside the 02. Mercian models also did an etched kit for at least one size of Barclay too.

I thought DJH did it as a starter kit but wasn't certain that was a Barclay

thank you it all helps 

2 hours ago, The Johnster said:

It came and it gave without taking...

 

I was looking at something similar in Lord & Butlers' excellent emporium last Friday, similar as you say to the Hatton's loco but with a longer wheelbase.  Lovely little performer, but Peter Lord didn't know it's provenance either!

 

 

Well happy to hear you only looked at it as I will be heading across the Bristol Channel v soon shame I have to drive the same amount if miles up the channel to cross that I then have to drive Back down the other side to get there as I am over due a visit!

mine has the same wheelbase as Hattons model so it's not the same version/type of Barclay from the sound of it

the old hamblins Knat looked a little bit like it with a longer w/b

cheers and thanks

At last weekends Minehead toyfair I succumbed to two kit built locos,the first is a Kemilway 3mt tank with a portiscape and the second which I would like some help with knowing who's kit it is made from.the model is of a Andrew Barclay 0-4-0 saddle tank much like the Hattons so is more than likely the same prototype,

 the model is heavy and the cab side sheets are heavy enough to be white metal kit with a etched brass chassis, which is interesting in that it has flat bottom plate with oiling slots in it the end of the vertical mounted motors worm is seen driving a intermediate gearwhich then drives the back axel mounted gear

i don't know if centre models did a A Barclay. Kit buts it's a bit fancy compared to my other centre model kits, DJH did a starter kit years ago of a industrial loco I think ?i understand someone else did a Barclay kit years ago but I can't remember who and searching the web just comes up Hattons which it isn't I know as I have one of them

P,S it was cheaper than a Hattons A, B but is just as cute

PPS the down side is the Mandy name plate ,,,,,,,I keep hearing barry manalow aaaaagh!

3 hours ago, 009 micro modeller said:

I already have the motors. The issue is whether I will still be able to use the existing side frames and pinpoint axles to hold the wheels in once they are motorised.

I can't see why not!

if pinpoint brass bearings and axles fitted to rtr wagons plastic underframes are good enough for a wagon to travel around a layout traveling many real miles a day as the chap in lynmouth's permanent layouts every day for years, I am sure just shuttling back and fourth off a transportation wagon will last more than long enough

 could you off set the drive so it's just behind the wheel to clear the central spine of the transporter wagon?

your going to have to try it as I expect not many other have done this

graham

Thank you very much steamport southport, brake van now livered up and awaiting a coat of varnish,and finally a smidgen of dirt,

it seamed a pity to open up this old kit it was almost a histeric hair loom ! But then to be built is why some one moulded  it fourty years ago if not more

I have just built a old Keysers Caledonian brake van kit, such fun !

its been lurking in the to do pile for years and I have up dated it a bit, by putting hand rails,wheel bearings as it's such a lump at the back of a train!  glazed windows  but I have no books or idea for what the model type is supposed to be to give a running number or location a web search dosn't help other than showing up etched brass kit of a different type of four wheel brake van where the iron braceing of the body is the other way up z inverted V rarther than the kits V

thanks if you can help ?

Graham

18 hours ago, Steamport Southport said:

Now on the WSR. Seemed to be on a photographers charter, then did some shunting at Minehead.

 

 

Jason

Not so much as a photo charter but a test runafter a repair

having screwed up the gala timetable yesterday  when it wouldn't steam, much rumours around bit I think it was the spark arrester had fallen and blocked the blast pipe,

Plastic or white metal ?

suspect white metal from the picture but is it?

Just a quickie ?

haveing just bought a SECR R class which arrived before it was due to arrive, so promptly despached to me,

haveing swapped around my spair Hornby 0-6-0 chassis under my GWR 27xx as the one I had free had a X04 type motor haveing released the correct chassis from the 27xx body I am not haveing a ponder as to what colour the wheels on a SE&CR loco should be green or black and if green is it the boiler green or tank side green which is lighter on the model ? Cheers chaps from a mainly GWR modeller who has strayed 

Graham

Well ! All this about the two thunderbolts hasn't changed my thoughts to buy the rapido model. Going by the Stirling single, rapido's will be the better model.but it will trundle in front of Hornby rocket type stock!

Been their and found the instructions wanting as well, But after haveing various attempts frustrate me I bought a old Hornby dublo mica for two quid at a toy fair, removed the end Hand rails from one end of that and used them as patterns to bend mine to as the ones on the HD are a bit thick, later plonked the HD micas on a ratio ten foot chassis to make use of them but keep them away from the kits