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There's similar info on another thread - see http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/37850-waverley-route-freight-flows/page-9&do=findComment&comment=2373752 post #204. Cheers - Alasdair

Hi Dave – Here's my take on "The Waverley": as well as the info from the Carter book quoted by Mad McCann, I have an extract from the Summer 1962 Sc.R. marshalling booklet. I know this is a bit later than your period, but it gives the Up working as: BSK (24), 2SO (64), SO (64) (32 seats for dining), RF (24) (LMS), FK (42), 2CK (24/18), BSK (24). And here it is descending the 1-in-75 towards Newton Duns behind Peak D20 - As you can see, I’ve trimmed it to the winter formation of 8 vehicles by taking out one of the SOs… otherwise it wouldn’t fit the layout…. For the RF, I'm using the Hornby 12-wheeler (M230M) with a crude-but-effective form of compensation (ie it works) but do you have any details of what the correct diagram of LMS vehicle it should be? Must get those hogsback bridge girders finished…. Cheers – Alasdair

Er... have you seen the amount of wiring under "Burntisland 1883" ?? Alasdair

Indeed it is. Looking at the pic of your Brush Type 4 - have the radiator grilles been replaced with the original 3-part type? Alasdair

You're welcome. Rail Blue with full yellow ends was "official" from June 1966 but a lot of diesels got FYE while still in green: these sites http://www.derbysulzers.com/24inverness.html and http://www.railblue.com/rail_blue_history.htm (the latter doesn't seem to have been updated for a long time) will probably tell you more than you ever wanted to know, but a skim through will give you a flavour. Neither site seems to mention yellow snowploughs and my assertion of 1972 (the year before TOPS numbers came in) is based on personal observation - I lived in Inverness at the time and the staple motive power diet up there then was plough-fitted 24s and 26s. HTH - keep up the good work ! Alasdair

Nice weathering on your NBL Class 29 ! Tiny tip: yellow snowploughs didn't appear until well into the Corporate Blue era, about 1972 IIRC. Prior to that they were black/dark-grey/general-dirt colour - which has been mistaken for dirty yellow by some observers. Alasdair

Yes, it will: I did a rough-and-ready uncompensated drop-in conversion (just to see if it worked), tweaked the brake shoes slightly and packed in a little more weight. It trundled round "Newton Duns" quite happily near the front of a 20-wagon freight - and I wouldn't claim my track is any better than "reasonable". There may be more about this in the related thread under the Bachmann topic, though. Alasdair

Thanks: look forward with much interest to seeing progress. I remember travelling in the Gloucesters on the North Berwick services in the late 1960s, and I definitely need at least one set... preferably two... for "Newton Duns". Problem is, there's already too much stock and not enough layout ! Alasdair

Class 100... most interesting... what are you building it from? Alasdair

Hi Eric - Do I spy the hole for the tablet-catcher mounting on 60068's left-hand cabside? What size is it? Alasdair

Given that the formation starts with a Mk.1 BCK followed by what looks like a couple of all-firsts, I go for the diverted working ! Alasdair

IIRC it was an ex-LMS bogie GUV and beyond it was an ex-LMS 4-wheel CCT, both with DM-prefix numbers: AFAIK both had sat there for many years. I have a pic of one of the last goods trains in 1982 and the consist included the CCT, presumably being retrieved to Perth yard prior to scrapping. Alasdair

As everyone else has said... absolutely splendid. Those buildings (esp the tenements) and railway infrastructure just capture Leith & Edinburgh so well, and the green Gloucester DMU takes me right back to my travel-to-school days in the late 1960s. A couple of questions: how did you do the DMU destination blinds, and what location is the station platform building based on (apols if I've missed this somewhere)? Alasdair

My diner also has the missing bits of the solebars filled in where they were cut away to allow for bogie-swing, but apart from a rather crude-but-effective form of compensation to allow for P4 wheelsets it's essentially as acquired. I well recall the BRCWs from my late-1960s Waverley East spotting days, so here's one of the two Heljans I've obtained - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/86066-Heljan-class-26-in-original-condition-a-few-quick-piccies/?p=1485024 - you can't see it, but the train formation here has a CCT and GUV between the loco and the coaches, typical of the 1.45pm Down. That's one of the things which attracted me to modelling the Waverley - you can legitimately run trains with a Pacific or V2 and just 4 corridor coaches! Look forward to seeing more inspiring pics of your layout as it progresses - mine is way behind in terms of station trackwork and scenery. Alasdair

I've raised this one on another thread but it didn't prompt any response, so I'll try again here: published pics of Waverley Route freights in the 1960s sometimes feature a few Prestwins (or Presflos) in the consist - does anyone know what traffic they conveyed, and where from and to? Alasdair

Good idea - is there any way of transferring the tablet-exchange stuff here to the new topic, or cross-referencing it in some way? Alasdair

Additional: mention of official documentation reminded me to consult my copies of the ScR Sectional Appendices. Sect 3 (North) of 1 Oct 1960 doesn’t seem to have any specific mention of DMUs in the notes to Table D1 on “Manson’s Automatic Apparatus”, but the all-ScR edition of 18 Jan 1969 has a page and a half of detailed instructions. The apparatus was only to be used between Keith and Inverness, and there’s also a bit that says ‘when a train is approaching the distant signal for a token station the Driver must give the bell signal “Approaching token exchange point” which the Guard must acknowledge immediately’ – no doubt to let the Guard put the token pouch into the delivery spring and extend the catcher in good time. It also says the bell codes are “2-2 Correct token received” and “2-2-2 Approaching token exchange point”. All fascinating stuff but perhaps a little OT where building models is concerned…! Alasdair

Thanks to Bernie for that great scan: should be able to get a good idea of the size of the recess in the guard’s van door from that. AFAIK the way it worked was that the whole unit was swung down to the horizontal, and the tablet to be set down was put in its pouch into the delivery spring (that bit at an angle at top right) which was turned to lie “fore-and-aft” – that looks like a wee operating lever below it. The unit passed over the equivalent one on the ground standard so that uplift and set-down were simultaneous and the main jaws (for receiving the tablet to be uplifted) presumably had some degree of resilience to avoid the pouch getting too well wedged. I also believe that there was a special buzzer signal from guard to driver to advise the latter that the tablet had been safely collected and identified, because the tablet business was all dealt with by the guard and the driver never actually saw the tablet which authorised him to enter the single-line section. Other info I’ve gleaned: the catchers fitted to Highland Lines diesel locos (eg 24s and 26s) had the delivery springs fixed horizontally because there was sufficient space in the cabside recess (see https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5561088697/ ) but those fitted to the DMUs presumably folded upwards to squeeze into the recess in the guard’s van door. I also believe that the DMU catchers lasted a lot longer than the loco ones because the centre of a DMU was a much more stable “exchanging platform” than the leading cabside of a 24 or 26 – apparently there were instances of the catchers missing altogether or demolishing the ground standard.... Anyone seen any official documentation or railwaymens' reminiscences about this? Alasdair

Wonderful evocative stuff, as everyone else has said. Question: does your C16 67497 have the curved smokebox door handrail? Alasdair

Absolutely wonderful stuff here – lots of inspiration to try and progress my own late 1950s / early 1960s version of the Waverley Route. Anent the 12-wheel diner, I'm using the Hornby one for the time being – it’s the BR maroon version (M230M) I got about 12 years ago, fitted with very basic compensation. What LMS diagram is yours? Under construction at the moment is the BR Restaurant First (Diagram 17) for when I want to run “The Waverley” with “Peak” haulage…. Alasdair

Signature Waverley Route diesel power, as seen on another thread... http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/86066-Heljan-class-26-in-original-condition-a-few-quick-piccies/&do=findComment&comment=1485024 Alasdair

Yes, I did the same for the same reason - a small square about 3mm x 3mm at each corner nipped off with snips and tidied up with a fine file. Alasdair

Thanks, Kingfisher - I built a Gem "Glen" many years ago with a similar chassis, but I don't think the motor is a 5-pole. Certainly recommend the tender pickups, though ! Regards - Alasdair

Very nice indeed... what's the basis of your model, eg Gem, PDK? - And what motor/gearbox combination did you use? Alasdair

OK then... here's my first offering: D5094 heads north up the 1 in 75 from "Newton Duns" with the 1.45pm from Carlisle, passing D6850 coasting downgrade with a Millerhil-Kingmoor goods. Alasdair