truffy

22 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said:

Erm. The idea is that you know what you can buy or order, not as a historical record. So I can go to my local model shop and ask for the items in it. 

Erm. It was meant in jest.
 

I thought that was obvious from the stupidity of the idea. It never occurred to me that I needed to underline it with an emoticon. 

22 hours ago, 89A said:

Catalogues are a good record of what has been released and what may be out there in the second hand market.

14 hours ago, Butler Henderson said:

Except they are not; invariably models get cancelled or changed. The current Hornby catalogue is already out of date due to changes to the Transport for Wales Mk4s. And then there are models which are missed for whatever reason, the still awaited APT is not in the current catalogue so no doubt there will be a thought at some time in the future that it was released in 2020 because that is when it is in the catalogue.

Perhaps catalogues should be released at the end of the year, to increase the chances of them being more accurate? Still no guarantee, mind. 

This is the correspondence that I had with KRM back on 25.11.2019:

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If I set the country to UK, the total cost is £237.50 + £4.50 (shipping) + £47.50 (taxes). This represents tax at 20%, which I think is correct for UK VAT.

 

If I set the country to Switzerland, the total cost is £237.50 + £19.00 (shipping) + £18.29 (taxes). This represents tax at 7.7%, which is about right for Swiss MWST.

 

So, my question is whether KRM is paying the tax on my behalf (which would be wonderful), or not? I only have two days left to place an order, so your web guy’s view would be appreciated.

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If it's there, then we must be, because the store takes out the tax for us.

On reflection, that's a bit worrying, since if it's sent from the UK, with Swiss tax already applied, the chances are that I will still have to pay tax as well as import duty on entry. That would make me quite sad.

6 hours ago, robmcg said:

it shows 49 early crest BR engines in 5 pages in 'shop now' but crashes after 24 entries, it lists models randomly 

This is not dissimilar to the problem that I faced last Thursday. I did raise the issue with Hornby, and gave them my email address for them to follow up. Needless to say, my inbox remains unsullied.

2 hours ago, adb968008 said:

certain (mostly EU owned) logistics companies, spotting revenue opportunities by now adding handling fees to the UK.

Umm, no, I don't think so. What they're doing is adding a charge to cover customs clearance.

Whenever I order any goods from outside Switzerland, the charge is made up of two factors: Swiss tax, which is variable depending on the value of the goods; and an import duty, which is fixed (and handling charge, thanks Roy!). That import duty handling fee might be slightly higher for some couriers, but not by much. Even if it's just lousy old Swiss Post it's still a fair chunk of change. And import tax covers the whole cost of receiving the item, including shipping costs.

46 minutes ago, Barry O said:

Now we are not in the EU not sure how that will work.. you will have to pay duties somewhere down the line.

 

Baz

As @Colin_McLeod says, it’s at the point of entry into the country of domicile. Everything that I’ve purchased from the UK has incurred Swiss tax and import duties. I expect no different for KRM, and that will apply now to anyone living in the EU. 

1 hour ago, Nick C said:

Going by the images online, it's representing her in original A1 condition, whereas she's preserved in A1X condition, as rebuilt in 1943. 

So, in direct competition to the Rails/Dapol version. Who’d have thought it?

39 minutes ago, 9402 Fredrick said:

There's another glitch on their new site showing that they're planning to produce a collett 81xx large prairie, but they haven't annoucned it but I see it pop up occasionally.

I wonder what odds William Hill are offering on Hornby announcing a Collett 81xx Large Prairie? 

15 hours ago, Opelsi said:

British Rail Apologises for the later running/cancellation  of this service due to: Frozen Points / Locomotive Failure / Failure of a preceding train / following a slow running freight train / ASLEF industrial action / Crew shortage / Diversion / Football Hooligans / Trespassers on the line / Protesters / No available Guard                

You missed Leaves on the line / The wrong type of snow / There’s an R in the month etc. etc. etc. 

2 hours ago, boxbrownie said:

You’ll certainly see the missing headlamp

Umm, the whole point is that you won't see the missing headlamp. Because...it's missing, y'know.

1 hour ago, adb968008 said:

i’m suddenly looking down on this model, tbh its a bit taking the mick.

I dont mind paying more to have a good job, even if its a specialist thing, but a premium just because of seeing £ signs, whilst deliberately omitting a focal point of the prototype is a bit off the mark.

Yep, I've decided against this one now. Not that I was considering a full rake, but I've saved myself more than 400 of your Great British drinking tokens.

38 minutes ago, Willoughby Glen said:

Hornby aren't going to spend thousands of pounds to change tooling for such small items for a one off 

But colour matching and application over the side windows hardly represent challenges in the same degree as changed tooling though.

Needs more work, methinks. When I selected Era 3, it showed 10 pages and 115 items. As I progressed through, from page to page, the number of total pages reported dropped to 9, then 8, and finally 6.

47 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

Does the coupler mount on these coaches just swivel, or is it a proper CCU that "grows" as it turns?

From Jenny's review, it doesn't appear so, John (ca. 8:36):

1 hour ago, The Johnster said:

The train consists of a 4 coach set of 4 wheelers, BT/T/BT van ends outwards and an additional 3rd.

What? No F for management? Presumably they...

1 hour ago, The Johnster said:

...used the bus, which had soft(ish) clean(ish) seats with cushions.

Sounds like a fascinating area to model railways! 

On 14/01/2021 at 18:04, The Johnster said:

If we're allowing pedantry, it's a Union Flag.  A Union Jack is the flagstaff on a ship from which a Union Flag may be flown.

On 15/01/2021 at 00:09, Ruffnut Thorston said:

The Union Flag is properly only called the Union Jack when flown from the Jack Staff on a Royal Navy ship...The flag pole is the Jack Staff...

Ummm...no. At least, not according to the Flag Institute (who might be considered an authoritative body):

http://www.flaginstitute.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Union-Jack-or-Union-Flag.pdf

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It is certainly the considered view of the Flag Institute that both terms are correct; and that either may be used. It is the Union Jack, and the Union Flag. Officially and unofficially, we all know what the terms mean. It is the image, and the associations of character and history, that make the British flag what it is.

13 hours ago, Hal Nail said:

By definition, those of us discussing or reading about details here value accuracy.

Kind of ironic in a discussion about generic coaches, no?

39 minutes ago, wombatofludham said:

I will no doubt become incontinent with joy and excitement

I wasn't sure whether the appropriate vote there was 'like', 'informative', thought-provoking', or just plain 'supportive'. Unfortunately, I can only give one.

On 06/01/2021 at 21:57, Wickham Green too said:

Loose coaches on the Southern ? ................. take a look at Gould's Maunsell Coaches book and you'll find very few apart from Corridor Thirds, Open Thirds and more Corridor Thirds !

On 06/01/2021 at 22:10, Oldddudders said:

Indeed. We are told that even if there was a fault on only one coach, the whole set would be TOS until it was rectified. Plenty of loose BCKs, of course. 

Did this also apply later? I'm thinking of the upcoming(ish) Bachmann Bulleid carriages, and was considering a rake of the C&C 15" carriages with one swapped out for a BR(S) Green 10", to add a little variety.

Will that work, or will it irk?

1 hour ago, 3rd Rail Exile said:

 

The info on Page 1 of this thread says "BR" and "Era 5", which Hornby define as "Late British Railways1956-1968", so I assume BR(SR) Green.   

I don't know how much reliance can be placed on Hornby's eras though.

https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/sr-maunsell-kitchen-dining-first-tbc.html

1 hour ago, GreenGiraffe22 said:

 

Post 1936 SR mainland =)

Good choice! 

I have had that, and the pre-1936 one, on order since 01.03.2018 (no, my memory isn't that good, I've just checked my account!)

I figure that, since my primary interest is late '30s (1938-ish), I can get away with a van that's about 3 years old, for a little variety. 

7 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

But that was the entire point - solely to compare the level of interest in each thread and nothing more than that.  In turn that does show the level of interest among RMweb members in different types of models - for example the individual threads in respect of newly tooled steam outline models - but even more so which areas are the most talked about (although not necessarily talked about by the greatest number of individuals.

In your original post, however, you state (my emphasis in bold):

On 06/01/2021 at 14:25, The Stationmaster said:

...The next nearest for views is diesel and electric locos with 7.2k views and, by a fairly slim margin, at 67 it also has the second highest number of posts.  But the overall 2021 steam range isn't far behind with 63 posts and 6.2k views.

 

It might not be illustrative of Hornby's love of the subject but 'big steam' doesn't seem to float the boat of many RMweb members.  At 61 posts the 9F is equal fourth with the new Maunsell coaches in number of posts and in a clear fourth place with 4.6k views.  But the new A1/A3 is well down the scale with only 23 posts and 2.1k views while the P2 is even worse at 18 posts and 2.0k views - there are only three items below it in terms of number of posts and only two below it in terms of number of views (and one could perhaps hardly expect the trainsets and new BCK to have done much better on RMweb than their lowly placing.  Also among the 'big steam' the new Hornby Dublo 2 rail doesn't score too well either with 36 posts (eighth from bottom) but a fairly respectable 2.8k of views which at least puts it ahead of HST Mk3 coaches with only 26 posts and 2.7k views and Playtrain which has 2.6k views but a far better 62 posts.

These conclusions derive from counting the posts/views in each thread. But, given RMwebbers' propensity to go off-topic, this may be little more than a 'never mind the quality, feel the weight' approach.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "big steam", presumably large steam locos, as opposed to Terriers etc. But I don't think it fair to conclude that there's little interest in "big steam" in this case. Note that each of these threads is not just about big steam, but a specific prototype. So, the overall interest in big steam within the Hornby 2021 announcements would be the sum of these threads. Comparing the DE  (many models) and the 9F (one model) threads doesn't reflect a relative disinterest in big steam, at least not as it applies to Riddles' big boy.

I can't readily access the DE, P2, or A1/A3 threads, since they were of so little interest to me that I have them hidden (too many pinned threads in this subforum, I had to cull some to allow room for new/current discussions on the first page).

15 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

Why does the pseudo-NBR liveried brake third lack class designations on the doors and have ENG CARLISLE at the LH end?

Because it's generic.

IGMC

On 07/01/2021 at 10:20, trevor7598 said:

No, you cannot renumber 1375 to 1365. The diner third opens had eight seating bays, 64 seats,

and the ordinary general service open thirds like 1375 had seven bays, 56 seats. and the two types

are quite different externally as well.

It may have been more useful if Hornby had produced a model of the 1935 or 1936 TO's

instead of the diner third of which there were only six. ( not moaning, I will have a composite

diner in it's final form. )

 

Thank you for that insight. It appears, however, that I’d overlooked @adrianmc’s earlier post:

On 05/01/2021 at 20:36, adrianmc said:

 

 

Yes that is another way to go for the post 1932 scene - instead of a renumbered/liveried Dining Third there is the prototypical option of coupling a 1930 Diag 2005 Open Saloon 3rd Class to the kitchen end of a Kitchen Dining First. Hornby have produced at least two examples in fully lined SR Olive Green - 1400 (R4537) and 1375 (R4833).

 

Which suggests that I can get away with pairing R4816A and R4833 without the need to renumber. This should be suitable for the late ‘30s, I think. 
 

Update: it appears that others are following this discussion. Both first/dining cars at TMC had gone by the time I came to place my order. Fortunately, I was able to nab the last at KMRC. Phew!

9 hours ago, RJS1977 said:

 

You can't get de ja vu for the first time.

I think when you get de ja vu for the first time, it's really the second time.

 

You can't get de ja vu for the first time.

I think when you get de ja vu for the first time, it's really the second time.

@Les1952 was referencing Yogi Berra’s famous quote “it’s deja vu all over again”

On 06/01/2021 at 14:25, The Stationmaster said:

While it is clearly not an indication of the wider market the sort of attention to each thread dedicated to various parts of the 2021 Hornby rangem,ight  illustrate of where interests  lie among us.  Obviously not an attempt at market research because the reason for interest in a particular announcement can be varied and not necessarily wholly positive.  So this is how it looks just ove 24 hours after the announcement went live.

 

Top of the poll are the new generic 4 and 6 wheeled coaches - with some very mixed reactions which no doubt has helped boost the numbers to 280 posts and 19.8k views.  The next nearest for views is diesel and electric locos with 7.2k views and, by a fairly slim margin, at 67 it also has the second highest number of posts.  But the overall 2021 steam range isn't far behind with 63 posts and 6.2k views.

 

It might not be illustrative of Hornby's love of the subject but 'big steam' doesn't seem to float the boat of many RMweb members.  At 61 posts the 9F is equal fourth with the new Maunsell coaches in number of posts and in a clear fourth place with 4.6k views.  But the new A1/A3 is well down the scale with only 23 posts and 2.1k views while the P2 is even worse at 18 posts and 2.0k views - there are only three items below it in terms of number of posts and only two below it in terms of number of views (and one could perhaps hardly expect the trainsets and new BCK to have done much better on RMweb than their lowly placing.  Also among the 'big steam' the new Hornby Dublo 2 rail doesn't score too well either with 36 posts (eighth from bottom) but a fairly respectable 2.8k of views which at least puts it ahead of HST Mk3 coaches with only 26 posts and 2.7k views and Playtrain which has 2.6k views but a far better 62 posts.

 

I won't bother with a full league table this early in the game but it's already fairly clear where RMweb member interests lie and LNER 'big steam' in particular hasn't really stirred much interest so far.  But HST/Mk3 coaches aren't particularly well placed either lagging quite a way behind the interest in Mk4s which have 57 posts and 3.5k views.  Will these numbers reflect in purchases - almost certainly not because the market is far wider than RMweb so I doubt they'll worry anyone at Hornby.

I haven't trawled the whole thread, Mike, so apologies if this has already been said.

But I don't think that your breakdown is either representative or fair. But only because it represents the thread topics as laid before us.

'Big steam' is fairly…generic, no pun, or otherwise, intended. But we also have specific threads on the 9F, A1/A3, P2 etc., which add to the general steam enthusiasm but split the vote. So I'm not sure what's achieved.