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8 hours ago, Accurascale Fran said:

1. It's a wagon

2. It's not the HAA 

If it's a Conflat L, @Porcy Mane will have your babies!

On 05/01/2021 at 16:26, adrianmc said:

These Third Class Dining Saloons were built in 1927 to Diagram 2652 and numbered 7864-9 with Hornby now producing 7864 and 7867 in fully lined SR Olive Green.

 

They only lasted with this classification until 1930 when they were reclassed as Open Thirds and subsequently renumbered 1363-8

On 05/01/2021 at 17:20, adrianmc said:

Any easier option - but only if modelling post 1932 - Hornby could release an unlined SR Olive Green version of this new Third Class Dining Saloon / Open Third and number it in the range 1363-8 to make a suitable pairing with one of their existing 1932 Kitchen Dining Firsts in unlined SR Olive Green?

On 05/01/2021 at 18:57, adrianmc said:

 

Yes correct - Hornby as far as I'm aware have produced Kitchen Dining Firsts to two diagrams - Diag 2656 and Diag 2651. 

 

One of these - Diag 2651 - is on the face of it the one required for the pairing with this new Third Class Dining Saloon - but unfortunately it is not!

 

The Southern Railway produced several batches of Kitchen Dining Firsts to this diagram but they were not all the same when originally built - the diagram being amended to reflect the changes as each batch and subsequent modifications occurred! The batches were:

 

4x Diag 2651 - Nos 7858-63 - Eastleigh 05/27

4x Diag 2651 - Nos 7939-42 - Eastleigh 07-12/29

16x Diag 2651 - Nos 7943-58 - Eastleigh 05-09/30

 

The main differences were with the first batch. As built these lacked the already mentioned transverse vestibule with external doors at the Dining Saloon end and when compared to the other two batches had a smaller window in the kitchen adjacent to the double doors. Between 1935 and 1939 these coaches from the first batch were altered in that the transverse vestibules were added to match the others. However the smaller kitchen window remained.

 

Hornby's model is of this post 1935-39 modified first batch Diag 2651 with the added vestibule but retaining the smaller window.

 

Due to this smaller window - which wouldn't be correct for the 2nd/3rd batches - the number of the released Hornby BR (S) coach was changed from S7946S (3rd batch) to S7861S (modified 1st batch).

 

It is because of this combination of added vestibule and small kitchen window that the existing Hornby coach tooling cannot accurately represent a batch 1 Diag 2651 Kitchen Dining First as built thus denying us the opportunity of having a fully lined SR Olive Green 1927 Kitchen First/Dining Saloon Third pair.

 

Here's hoping!

 

PS Diag 2656 is virtually identical to Diag 2651 batches 2 and 3 (vestibule and large kitchen window) with the main changes reflecting internal kitchen arrangements and external stove vents. 

So, for 1938, would it be appropriate to pair R4816A (Maunsell Kitchen Dining First Coach number 7865*) with R4833 (Maunsell Open Third Coach), and renumber the latter from 1375 to 1365?

Or are there other differences between the reclassified third class diners and other open thirds?

* from the numbering, I assume that this is to Diag. 2656

14 hours ago, robmcg said:

Perhaps the H-D packaging would suit a new 8F

Or a just newly-tooled 92220? 

18 hours ago, GreenGiraffe22 said:

Which begs the question why they've tooled this one up unless they plan to make the paired carriage in due course...

Perhaps they figure that only a few RMwebbers will worry about it. After all, if generic coaches are 'good enough', the sky's the limit! 

5 hours ago, GreenGiraffe22 said:

that Hornby Airport service pack they did a while back

That would be the Imperial Airways set. I have the T9 (and chunky plastic header) from a split pack.

I'll get both of the SR numbers, one to run in a slightly better IA consist.

The HST is a favourite of mine, and the Midland Pullman is definitely on the cards.

Is this tooling updated from that of 2009? I already have the first incarnation of FGW (R2812), but would be tempted to replace it with R3958 if there are notable improvements.

18 hours ago, TomScrut said:

If AS can do the 92 for £180 then that means everyone else charging more has more margin to account for.

Without knowing each company’s cost structure for each model, that is completely baseless speculation.  Simple fact is we don’t know and we don’t need to know. Each of us has our own cost/benefit point of view, and that’s the only thing that matters. 
 

Compared to the scalpers on thief-bay, it all looks pretty reasonable to me. 

On 18/12/2020 at 19:39, adb968008 said:

What trick is missed is modern image has a future. Whilst a class 195 today has two liveries, comes in 2 car, 3 car or EMU.. that market I admit maybe smaller than a 2MT... but it will be here for 40 more years, a good tooling wont be challenged, and if UK, rail history has a future there will be new liveries at least every 5 years, and specials, which means a steady stream of business for 5 decades. Just look at the 156.. at least 20 liveries.. and its still only mid-life... i’d wager Hornbys had more out of the single car 153 than the J50.

But, even though steam hasn't been mainstream since I was a mere baby, it's still what children think of when they think of a locomotive, watch Thomas, go to a heritage railway etc. Steam 'lives', it has presence and passion. People may travel on modern trains out of necessity, but does it imbue the same passion? I think kettles will continue to sell for a long while more, while the more modern stuff is the niche of aficionados. I might be wrong, it happens, but both H and B seem to consider that there's a future for steam models.

6 hours ago, gr.king said:

The Bachmann era system hasn't caught on because it is wholly inadequate for the British scene, where, for instance, on say the LNER, there were striking differences between the periods 1923-9, 1930-41, 1941-46, and 46/47. Regarding these four periods as one era is a hopeless over-simplification that would tend to invite the uninformed, if treating the era system as gospel, to depict things in a very unrealistic and quite impossible way.

The other three big groups had distinct changes of flavour over the course of time too, maybe not too obviously on the GWR, but certainly on the LMS and to some extent on the Southern.

The problem with any categorisation system is how broad/narrow you set the thresholds. Broader gives fewer pigeon holes, but some leeway within them, narrower gives greater finesse but also complexity. Overall, I think B's attempt is pragmatic, those seeking greater finesse are probably more likely, and better suited, to fill in the blanks.

9 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:

So what's the problem with this Olivia?  I have never had any dealings with them

Does the firm have a bad reputation?

Relatively expensive. IIRC they only sell at MRRP, no discounts...take it or leave it. Also a bit of a Marmite outfit in terms of customer service, apparently; I’ve never used them personally. 
 

There’s a thread in the Model Shop Guide. 

On 05/12/2020 at 23:08, Markwj said:

Just seen a Facebook post from Hornby to state there are 350 new products in the new catalogue. 

19 hours ago, Clearwater said:

 

I suspect a fairly broad definition of new to include any relivery as well as genuinely new tooling!

And many of those new items won’t be rolling stock. 
 

Track pins in 250 additional length and width combinations, anyone?

8 hours ago, MyRule1 said:

undercutting their own by £30

Erm, hasn’t that always been the case?

3 hours ago, Georgeconna said:

Good news so,

 

I hope they manage to post them before Dec 31st as this will enable me to not have to pay VAT Again or have issues with customs here.

 

Not sure what happens if they post  these Dec-31st. 

1 hour ago, The Stationmaster said:

I doubt it - unless they come by air.  They said on their Facebook page on 21 November that they were still trying to arrange a shipping slot.  Assuming they struck lucky and got one very soon after that the ship would have sailed during week commencing  23 November at the earliest.  Port-to-port transit time for a full load container is c.30-35 days but for a less than full load (i.e what used to be called groupage) it can be up to 6 days longer than that.  Say the ship left a Chinese port by 27 November  it is likely to arrive at a UK port no earlier than 28 December and possibly not even until the beginning of January.

The most recent email from KRM, on 15.11 stated:

”The estimated delivery date given what we know is in January 2021, but this is subject to change given the evolving situation.”

So I wouldn’t expect anything before the new year. 

8 hours ago, 26power said:

Not sure how I have not been aware of these before, or the range of 3D printed parts they supply!  Maybe I missed reference to them in the small suppliers sub topic?

8 hours ago, stovepipe said:

They were trialled simultaneously by a number of YouTube model railway group channels around 9-12 months ago, to near universal acclaim. I can't recall seeing them advertised much elsewhere.

Including this one from Hornby Magazine:

Not sure whether anything ever made it to the magazine itself, I rarely read it.

35 minutes ago, Kris said:

Christmas gift guide today. 

Why does anyone bother? This is so low effort as to be pointless. 

Which, if any, of these might've run on the SR in 1938? Particularly around the London-Brighton corridor?

40 minutes ago, Oldddudders said:

Or even voila.

For shame, Ian. Living in France and using a Mac, "voilà" shouldn't be beyond you!

8 minutes ago, JSpencer said:

not that the interest is anything really worth declaring!

Are you saying that the interest isn't interesting?

1 hour ago, rob D2 said:

functionality wise - all these sound things leave me cold, TBH. I don’t want a user manual to challenge the one that comes with a car , with a model train .

Totally agree, Rob. Added to that, and not wishing to get into the aural equivalent of a colour space debate, the videos that I’ve seen, sorry, heard, make them sound a bit weak or flat. Dunno, just not the ‘presence’ that I’d expect. And I’m only running DC. So the DC-ready one was a bit of a bargain. 
 

But for those who appreciate the sound, it’s great that it’s there As an option. 

On 28/11/2020 at 19:40, Oldddudders said:

As well as Covid, the UK banking sector is a bit obsessed with Brexit right now. I moved to France in 2004 - from Cranbrook, near Maidstone! - and Barclaycard have been happy to have me as a customer until 2020, when they insisted that I must have a UK residential address......

That’s odd. I moved out of the EU in 2003, to Switzerland, and Nationwide have never insisted that I have a UK address. It’s almost as if the banks are making it up as they go along. 

19 hours ago, Islesy said:

Simon stepped in to write and curate Engine Shed when I left Hornby back in September. I always signed it as ‘The Engine Shed Team’ to recognise the work that Lucy (web) and David (photographer) put into helping get the blog out every four weeks. That’s aside from the input from the Development team, who supplied CAD images, Decoration Guides and Factory images.

Hope that goes some way to helping explain?

I did think that it was you who wrote it in the past, Paul. Simon stepping in briefly between your departure and your replacement’s tenure explains it all. Thanks. 

3 hours ago, 69843 said:

I don’t mind the models slipping back a bit if it means we don’t have a rushed/compromised model. 

Hopefully it’ll give them the opportunity to deal with that VPL

TBH I didn't realise that he wrote it anyway, it's always been signed off The Engine Shed Team, albeit with his email address for contact (very brave!)

1 hour ago, brushman47544 said:

There are not many Kent local services that do not radiate out from London, commuting being the primary market. The 2-HAPs were primarily for use on South-Eastern longer distance, non-suburban, services out of Victoria, Charing Cross and Cannon Street, so were branded Kent Coast. The suburban services were 2nd class only and branded Kent Link, mostly EPBs.

How far did they get out of CX? Folkestone?

If so, I may have to have one, as I may have commuted on it.

3 hours ago, classy52 said:

Just a heads up everyone Hattons have greatly reduced their DCC Ready Class 66 prices on new models from £150 down to a starting price of £119...absolute bargain on these!

In addition it appears their used prices have also been reduced further as well.

2 hours ago, scottrains29 said:

Shifting stock in preparation for a new, wobble free, batch?

This is part of Hattons' wider 2020 Festive Sale. So, while it's a bargain (too good for me to resist), it shouldn't be seen as anything more than that IMO.

4 minutes ago, Methuselah said:

The train. The train. Can we talk about the train....

If you're referring to the subject of this thread, it's not a train, it's a locomotive. It becomes part of a train when someone sticks stuff on the end.

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