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You're not much of a pedant if you allow yourself to be corrected and as for being happy!
You're right, I seem to have wandered into the dubious realm of critical knowledge pedantic relativism, otherwise known as CKPR.
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He was the Rural Dean out of Truro for many a year, so out of sight of the Lord Bishop(s) of Truro.
Wasn't that the Rev Peter Denny ? I thought Rev Beale was from Edinburgh but happy to stand corrected.
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The Tri-ang locomotives ran very well with their X04 motors.
Tri-ang also made some railway buildings to enhance the layouts. Rovex and later Tri-ang developed the buildings from some balsa wood models made by an artist called Joe Hunt at his cottage in Godalming.
The pictures show the engine shed, water tower, signal box and footbridge displayed at the South Dorset Modellers meeting at Winterborne Kingston Village Hall last night.
I've always liked the original Tri-ang buildings, which although far from being scale models are very, well, railway-like and purposeful. I have a complete set stashed away in my parents' loft along along with the rest of my 'Tri-ang 1957' collection.
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And which faith would you ascribe for OO modelers?.
Oh, definitely low church CoE or Methodist. I'll get my coat...
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Make your minds up. You sound like followers of St Confused the Indecisive.
Given this degree of schism, I think we are definitely dealing with a religion ...
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I like this analogy.
But thinking about it If OO is CoE then P4 is High church (Catholic maybe...) but what section does the 'Happy Clappy' Pentecostal represent ?
as regards modelling, I do it for me and no other, Modelling the GN there isn't a lot of RTR but if something is produced I'll take advantage of it as a finished model or a base layer to adapt.
EM is more High Church CoE in my book but then I've always thought of our P4 brethren as the Jesuits of the hobby....
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Yeah, we get that a lot.
I know of people in their 70s who are almost in tears after spending a day operating an S Scale layout, over the regret that they had missed out on the experience 20 or 30 years before they had amassed a large P4/EM collection.
But I also know full well that had they experienced S Scale at that stage of their life, they wouldn’t have made the switch, as they were too used to having broad(er) trade support, and would not have been prepared to “abandon the safety net” of kits and rtr.
S Scale is not about adapting available models. It’s about creating something from a limited range of components. In many ways this is easier: any mistakes are your own, and - a bit like crossword compilers - there isn’t someone else’s thinking to unravel. It’s a different mindset, and not for everyone. Possibly, only for a very few.
I have to say that I wish I had discovered Sand adopted it rather than EM when I was moving into fine-scale modelling in the early 1980s.
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It's a while since I read it, but Allan Wright's book on the North Sunderland Railway quotes a manager of the line from the 1940s as being concerned at the fire risk posed by oil lighting in their coaches. IIRC trains may subsequently have run completely unlit, which must have been cheerful on a winter's evening in Northumberland
.The NSR was also known to be rather lax about continuous brakes on its trains. I believe its coaches all had vac brake gear but it appears to have frequently been inoperative, regardless of the BoT's position on the matter. Especially noteworthy as the NSR wasn't, technically, a light railway, again IIRC.
I was just about to say the same - the NSR latterly carried passengers in coaches that were not only unlit but also unbraked. To all intents and purposes the NSR was a light railway but only actually became one for legal purposes in order to assist in winding down the company after it closed in 1951.
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Hello
I'm looking for a copy of the instructions for the old Mallard Models GWR 517 class kit.
Thanks
Dougal (CKPR)
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Finally got the Mercian Models "Carlisle" kit down from the Aged Ps' loft at the weekend and just checked it against the TVR Kitson 0-6-0 drawings in Russell ...hmm.
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Well, it certainly would be if the other people were Jean Paul Sartre.
I have a theory about philosophy. After years of poncing around on the Left Bank in black polo-necks and smoking Gauloises, or whatever the Seventeenth Century equivalent of that was, the French worked out that the only point of philosophy was to use it to talk women into bed.
Rather cruelly, the French omitted to explain this to the Germans.
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Hmmm, maybe I should set up my HO US logging stuff around the tree -probably in scale for a giant Californian Redwood !
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Smiths sell ready assembled screw couplings, which appear to be the old PC Models / Wheeltapper etched parts assembled on a Smiths coupling hook as used for their three link couplings. This combination is very easy to replicate as the PC Models / Wheeltapper etchings are quite common but don't use the hook supplied as it's pretty much exact scale and too small to be practicable. There are quite a few etched coupling hook etchings that can be used (the old Mainly Trains set is my favourite) and the PC / Wheeltapper etchings are a bit fiddly but really quite easy to assemble using pliers and a small reamer to open up the various holes.
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To save you a bit of trouble and expense, possibly, there is a GA type drawing of the L&YR loco in Barry Lane's book on L&YR Locomotives. Key dimensions are wheelbase, 7' 3" + 7' 9", boiler pitch 6' 5" and boiler diameter 4' 1" to which has to be added cladding thickness. Russell's book on GWR Absorbed locos has an outline drawing of the later rebuilt TVR version, with a higher pitched boiler. However, when the TVR design was adopted by the L&YR, the latter substituted the rectangular cab splashers which look like the M&CR loco, at least in original form, so this variant isn't particularly helpful. Unfortunately,I have not been able to find any photos of the M&CR locos after their rebuilding, as pictures of their locos, especially goods types, are as rare as hens' teeth, and the two books on the line I have only cover the early passenger locos, and even then rather scantily, so I cannot comment whether the later incarnations are more, or less, like the L&YR ones.
Thank you, this is really helpful - I forgot about the drawing in the Russell book so I can look this up no problem.
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I've got drawings (well, LMS weight diagrams) for the M&CR BP engines , available from the Cumbrian Railways Association, and the Les Darbyshire drawings of both the 'Ilfracombe Goods' and 'Carlisle' from MRN back in the day, so I just need to find the same for the LYR and TVR engines - time to find my copy of Leleux's index. There was a drawing of the TVR engine in MRC in the late 1940s and I saw a bound set in Hay-on-Wye last week but the asking price of £18 would go a long way towards paying for the necessary wheels.
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Looking at a photo of M&CR No 28 and comparing it with pictures of the LRM L&YR loco and the rendition of Mercian's Carlisle, I would venture to suggest that neither will provide you with an easy route to your goal, if you are hoping to capture the essential character of the M&C loco. Apart from the basic shape of the cab, with a rectangular splashers at the bottom and a curved cut out above, neither has the right profile, and at least the front splashers will need to be scratch built, and the distinctive Beyer Peacock splashers will need to be sourced somewhere, an etching perhaps. The LRM boiler looks too large and too high pitched, whilst the BCR boiler features a raised firebox, which 28 didn't. I can't comment on the BC chassis, but the LY one looks to have unequal wheelbase and fluted coupling rods, whereas 28 seems to have almost equal spacing, and plain rods. By the time you have corrected all these things there will be precious little left of use - perhaps the safety valves from the LRM kit!
I did think that perhaps the Branchlines kit of the BP / LSWR Ilfracombe Goods might offer an easier route, but being some thirty years earlier in design, it too has little in common with the M&C loco.
I realise I have been rather negative, but unless the M&C rebuilt the locos later, then I fear scratch building may be your best course. But if you can provide a drawing of what you are after, including the tender which doesn't appear in the photo I found on the Internet, then there might be scope for identifying other suitable donor kits that might give you a head start.
I'd wondered about an 'Ilfracombe Goods' as a starting point as well - the apparent similarities between these supposedly standard off the shelf engines is very deceptive. Oh well, at least scratch-building is cheap !
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Any thoughts on the OP - use the Mercian Models 'Carlisle' kit or splash out on the LRM Barton-Wright kit ?
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Interest, though, in that most of the North American railways specified their particular requirements or detailed the small components and bought from a major supplier, such as Baldwin, Alco, Lima, etc.
What about the power units for the steam railmotors?
Not listed in Essery & Jenkinson so presumably not technically locomotives ?!
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And conversely, smaller companies such as the Maryport & Carlisle, together with notably the Furness and Cambrian, couldn't justify maintaining the drawing office and works capacity to design engines for themselves, so bought small quantities off-the-peg - in the case of the Furness and Cambrian, Sharp, Stewart & Co.
In the case of the larger companies as described by Sir Douglas, the private builders were generally contracted to build according to the railway company's drawings and specification, even to the extent of samples of components being sent out.
Sorry, this isn't really helping with the OP.
Partly correct as The Furness famously never built an engine themselves despite having excellent workshops at Barrow, whilst the M&CR engines were a mixture of home-made at Maryport and bought-in from a variety of sources, including Beyer-Peacock, North British and Yorkshire Engine Co. The M&CR bought-in engines tended to come in pairs except for the singleton No 18 from NBL. The M&CR certainly had an active mechanical engineering drawing office in the 19th century as I own three of the original drawings, which are practically works of art.
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Hello everyone
I'm looking to get modelling again soon and want to finish off my M&CR stud for 'Mealsgate' - it's a bit un-balanced at the moment (0-4-2t No.17, 0-4-4t No.26 and 0-6-0 No.29, the latter 'Yorkshireman' being wholly inappropriate) and I've got 0-4-2 No. 4 and 0-6-0 No.7 (or 19) on the stocks ( loco and tender chassis for both and the footplate for the 0-6-0 completed ). I'm also looking at the Beyer-Peacock built M&CR engines, especially 0-6-0s No.27 and No.28, to see whether I could build an additional engine using an existing kit as a basis. Cross-referencing Essery & Jenkinson's LMS engines vol.2 and Russell's GWR absorbed engines books, I've found both the LYR Barton-Wright 0-6-0s and the Taff Vale Class L 0-6-0s, both of which are described as Kitson / Vulcan / Beyer- Peacock (I don't really understand the presumably convoluted history of these concerns !) 'standard' designs. I know that the London Road Models kit for the LYR engine can be converted into the TVR version but was wondering whether it could also be built as one of the M&CR engines. Just to complicate matters, I already own the old Mercian Models kits for the Kitson 0-6-0 'Carlisle' (?!) that ran on the Bishops Castle Rly and whilst I know this has some serious inaccuracies having read the posts by Quarryscapes and others on the original engines of the Mid Wales, etc, I was wondering what potential this kit might have for building as an M&CR engine [by complete coincidence, we're going to Bishops Castle for the afternoon as soon as I've posted this].
Sorry for the long post and any information and suggestions gratefully received - if I can build an M&CR engine from the LRM kit, then I've got a couple of weeks to drop some hints for Christmas !
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What replaced the various 'Quads' as a tractor for the 25-pounder?£
The ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford truck.
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If you're using one of the etches for inside bearings, it definitely pays to beef up the actual bearing surface either by soldering on additional washers and then reaming out to 2mm or going the whole hog and fitting proper 2mm inside diameter bearings.
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You could use 105mm field gun. I know its not much to go on but there were a few variants around in the 50s/60s.
The 105mm light gun dates from the mid-1970s but the 5.5" (as in the Airfix kit) was in front-line use until the mid-late 1960s as was the 25 pdr - you could probably justify the latter two well into the 1970s as they remained in use with the TA and for training purposes.
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Just seen these two for sale on Ebay:
I think these are Reidpath but happy to be corrected.
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Was the invisible green of the Cambrian different from the invisible green of the Hull & Barnsley ?