2750Papyrus

According to Yeadon, 3050 spent its early life at Hitchin but was at Colwick from November 1935 till withdrawal in 1947.  A Nottingham - Grantham stopper?

3 hours ago, MJI said:

 

 

Urghhhhh

 

Sugar in tea

 

Yuk!

Thirty years ago, I had a secretary who could tell whether I needed sugar in my tea or not.

Scary!

54 minutes ago, jazzer said:

A surgeon called Dr Death ? Really ? Almost as bad as the urologist at St Andrew’s Hospital Billericay Dr James Riddle ( Jimmy Riddle - geddit ? ) 

At one time, our local Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages was called De'Ath.

The J11 was a successful and long-lived engine; I believe at one time Thompson considered it as one his LNER standards.  However, the O4 must be one of the best freight locomotives built in this country and hence gets my vote.

Much though I like lines of the Atlantics and their near-cousin 4-6-0s. in terms of success my vote has to go the Directors.  Capable, long-lived and multiplied for use in Scotland - a success story indeed.

That's a splendid model of a house I must have passed dozens of times.

Where can I get a 4mm scale mortgage?

I agree with Clive, J37 this time, Atlantic last.

10 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

You're most welcome Sandra,

 

The subtleties of the livery are down to Geoff Haynes. 

 

Here she is with her OO 'boots' on...........................

 

 

 

I really do have the 'best of both worlds' in this situation. Each loco has two sets of frames - one in OO and one in EM (tender frames as well, of course). 

 

I have to say (and I expect the arrows from those for whom the correct gauge is paramount), in these four respective shots I cannot tell the difference!  

 

I have all the EM bits for DANTE and CLUMBER ready to build. Watch this space.............................

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

 

 

I think it can be difficult to tell the wider gauges from a side view, you need to look along the track to appreciate it.  At an exhibition including a  branch terminus which has been mentioned in these pages, it was only when I was walking away and looked back at the layout that I realised it was not 00.

43 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

Nectar of the gods, like I said!

Sort of like Worcestershire Sauce, but 10000 times better, to quote a famous singer.

 

https://www.hendersonsrelish.com/

 

Mike.

Must be strong - it's made the couplings droop!

My code 75 FB curved points have now been ballasted to match the surrounding BH track and, to be honest, the  difference is not as obvious as I had feared.  Not enough to delay making the FB double slip into a similar permanent arrangement.

I thought the original East-West scheme included improved services beyond Cambridge to Norwich, Ipswich and the east coast ports? 

I couldn't find my Midland Railway history when the Johnson vote was open but stumbled on it straight away when looking for the Bulleid biography!  It confirmed my thoughts that the first compounds were by Johnson but that it was Deeley who linked the live/exhaust steam control to regulator opening.  This led to the most successful use of compounding in the UK so, if allowed, the Compound gets my Deeley vote.  If not, a belated vote for Johnson and Deeley's long-lasting claim to fame becomes the introduction of the power classification system subsequently adopted by the LMS and BR eg 2F.

One of the more intriguing "might-have-beens" is the proposed Deeley compound 4-6-0.  Sadly, the politics surrounding the Pagets led to his resignation and arguably condemned the Midland and LMS to years of the small-engine policy and double-heading.

3 hours ago, Hroth said:

 

So where have the children come from?

 

Sensitive minds DON'T want to know...

 

The media had it in for him.....

4 minutes ago, Oldddudders said:

In my day, a CEO tended to wear a tie.....

Standards......

On 20/03/2021 at 00:49, chris p bacon said:

I'm not impressed with the literature they give you when you get vaccinated.   I had the AZ jab at 19.15 today (Friday) and by 21.00 I had an incredible urge for a bag of chips...nowhere did it warn me that could be a side effect..or how long it's going to last..

Are you sure you're not pregnant?  In that case, 9 months.......

Has to the Schools class for me, most powerful 4-4-0 in Britain and I thought the smoke deflectors suited them.

9 hours ago, Clearwater said:

The Thompson Gresley relationship is fascinating.  Whilst not direct contemporaries, they’d been to the same school and must have moved in similar, for the times, upper middle class circles.  Particularly in those days, your average Joe didn’t get sent to a school like Marlborough.  However, Thompson’s father in law effectively lost his job to Gresley on grouping.  But Thompson kept working for the LNER.  Why?  He can’t have been a wage slave like many of us.  In modern parlance, Gresley didn’t manage him out, or manage his succession towards his favoured choice.  Without being an expert, I can only conclude that Gresley must have had sufficient confidence in Thompson’s abilities not to have had him moved.  You’d have thought Greeley’s position would have been powerful enough to have got what he wanted (albeit I might be analysing through a modern management prism.)

 

Assuming Gresley thought Thompson was competent, and putting aside the emotion of the conversion of 1470 and the P2s, one might wonder whether or not at some point whether rail historians will reappraise Thompson and his legacy.  In many ways, an analogue of Hawksworth.   Both succeeded to the CME role late in their careers, in succession to a dominant character and design orthodoxy and in the same year in the middle of the Second World War.  Arguably, Thompson has one great design attributed to his tenure, the B1.  I’m not sure even the most ardent GWR fan could argue one of the locos produced in his tenure had the same impact.  
 

David

I have just bought a copy of "Thompson His Life & Locomotives" by Tim Hillier- Graves, published by Pen and Sword.  I've only skimmed through it as yet but it does cast new light on events such as the changed role for Bert Spencer.  It would be interesting to read a TW review! 

I have three contenders, the early Claud 4-4-0s, the E4 2-4-0s and the J65-69 series of 0-6-0 tank engine.  

For me, the best-looking versions of the Clauds and the best performing were those rebuilt under the Gresley/Thompson regime so I for the purposes of the poll, I am afraid they have to go.

The E4 2-4-0s were a very versatile and long-lived class, some lasting more than 60 years, and the last 2-4-0s to remain in BR service.  The J65-69 tank engines were also very versatile, performing well on a range of duties from shunting to the Liverpool Street suburban service.  They were also long-lived with examples lasting over 60 years.  However, they were probably more widely dispersed across the LNER network (I have a 3D printed example numbered 7365 which spent some time at Hitchin).  For that reason, they form my nomination.

1 hour ago, great northern said:

Chat on line. No, not that sort. Why oh why am I forced to have virtual conversations which could be conducted in a quarter of the time over the phone? Half the morning gone.

 

After sorting out what Sir Vincent did and did not design, and having taken into account amended votes, we finished up with Q6 8 B16 6.

 

Today, Mr Holden of the Great Eastern Railway.

J or S D?

Oops!  I did look the J27 up in my Green Book but looked at technical details rather than designer. 

I can understand the B16's popularity but internal Stephenson gear and short travel valves suggest the design was a bit dated, indeed significant rebuilding was undertaken by both Gresley and Thompson.  So I think I will withdraw my (disqualified?) vote and abstain on this occasion.

I have loved the look of the Raven Atlantics since I was a child, but for the purposes of the poll it has to be the J27 - simple, reliable and long-lived.

12 hours ago, gwrrob said:

What great news and don't we all need it , that the SDR is reopening on April 12th although passenger timetables won't begin till May 17th.

 

Here's small prairie 4555 shewing a symbol of hope at the end of the rainbow.

 

Our last cup of tea at a cafe was sitting outside at Buckfastleigh almost exactly a year ago.  Maybe our next one too?

Another vote for the GN/LNER Northern Heights.

I may have previously posted my recollections of lying awake as a small child listening to (goods?) trains struggling up the gradient from Stroud Green to Crouch End.  Later, an essay option in my GCE English paper was "Problems of Transport in My District".  The 14 year old me solved these by re-opening and electrifying the Northern Heights branches, gaining a grade 1 pass (the only one in my year)!  

Unfortunately, the BRB did not then have sight of my reasoning, so I will attempt a modern justification. I believe that routeing HS1 to St Pancras has subsequently resulted in a shortage of paths for trains to traditional Midland Railway destinations, contributing to the need for HS2.  In the 60's, there was apparently a proposal to link the Midland main line to the GN Mill Hill branch, presumably near the Hale, and divert Midland trains into KX so that St Pancras could be closed.  Fortunately this did not happen but if the link had been constructed and the branch retained, a useful diversionary route would have been established.  The recent transfer of much GN short distance traffic away from KX surface station to Thameslink, and the current  re-opening of bores 5 & 6 of the tunnels from KX, would then present the opportunity to run trains to Midland destinations via Finsbury Park and Mill Hill from the old KX suburban platforms.   (I wonder what could have been done with some of former goods facilities in the KX and SP areas to improve passenger terminal capacity.)

And of course, retention of the branches would have enabled running the preserved N2 and quad-arts to Ally Pally for model railway exhibitions!

I voted Bangor - Afon Wen in a previous poll but would agree with Carmarthen to Aberystwyth this time.