Snowwolflair

No, most Christmas shopping is done in October & November apart from food, and if you look at the shops over the next two weeks Christmas will arrive.

Dave should have a "sent email" record of the email addresses. What Dave should do is check his sent email box and resend a request for permission to keep these details for marketing purposes while he also reminds them of the product.

The smart businesses have been asking explicit permission for years, ie banks, insurers, utilities and the like, partly because their FCA or other regulatory bodies required it, but most of the online trading and general web community etc. did not. Frankly its a mess but most companies are now compliant.

But it was collected without a decoration that it would be kept. Implied retention is not enough and Dave and almost everyone else did not ask for explicit permission to keep information, or write to everyone before GDPR cam into force asking to ask to keep the data. Rules are rules, and big fines are big fines!

But GDPR really meant this was illegal to do.

As I said on the King thread this is the time budgets are held back for Christmas. It's just going to take time.

Given the immanence of Christmas I suspect family budgets are part of the slow uptake. I think patience will get it over the line

Hotmail will junk any email it suspects is a mass mailshot. From memory its somewhere between 10 and 25 recipients and if there are more it damns it as spam. In business we used to send bulk emails in batches of 10 to be sure as in the old days other providers like Comuserve, yahoo mail and others did the same..

Someone sent me a cheque I was not expecting so I have ordered one of each. Looking forward to progress.

Website up, still to get pre-orders enabled, but it looks good.

Website up, still to get pre-orders enabled, but it looks good.

Any ETA on the new website as I'm travelling and it would be good to know when to look, thanks David

Should be that's a scan of the real thing

Dave don't get irritated by people who have no clue what is involved in producing this model. There are always a few armchair Generals

When i spoke to Dave on the scanning day he confirmed the low numbers for the N version but also indicated they had picked up since the confirmation of the OO version. He plans to run it up to Christmas at this stage to see if the situation improves enough.

Would a King in GWR service tun tender first? In preservation yes, but in original use it would have been turned. I think it needs to be "not there" as an option.

Swap-able front bogies.one with one without.

If the existing pre orders become combination pack orders to the same train already ordered then then the lesser individual packs can be added as additional order options. So an existing 14 car order becomes a a+b+c+d+e pack order where a are the ends b is a power car c is coach set 1 d is cach set 2 and e is the second power car, or something like that.

The modular pricing might make an all singing/dancing version possible (I hope)

Dave, If those of us who want a "full train" can make it up by combining sets for the same budget then if it widens the appeal then sounds a very good idea.

Did the Biomass wagons ever make it?

Let me edit the above post and send it to the correct recipient. Dear Mr Hatton "After buying one of the 5800's and having a 1400 on pre-order I am now slightly upset to hear that what was going the Hornby beating King is to be shelved for an N-gauge version. I have to say yes 00 has Hornby's tooling which is better than before but the CAD and list of what to expect from you Dave was just so much better,, and for the price of £179 DDC fitted a bargain when it should be higher. I would be more than happy for it to be higher and if you were to reduce the number of Kings in 00 that may help as well. So you could make them in both gauges and the same names. I would suggest 6000 KGV in her current state which is the closet to a proper BR King, 6023 KEII again in her current cut down form and 6024 KEI in her cut and slimmed down form (post current overhaul form) and then maybe two others one in a GWR livery and another livery of a BR variety weathered i.e. end of service condition. With the first three Kings Steam, GWR society and 6024 society could push them to supporters which would open a market. And before any one says stop moaning buy a Hornby King, yes thank you I can but why would I want to invest in an 8 pin model change the name and running number when I have pre ordered a 21 pin high end model with the right name and running number. Next time Mr Hatton you want us all to pre-order from you don't cancel." Yours sincerely a disgruntled customer

When someone lays out the facts it is not speculating wildly, and as Dave reads this forum regularly he has not sought to correct anyone. The following two statements are clear from his previous inputs. I will add a further one. To make a rival OO King now would be commercial suicide. So I would guess in about five years when the Hornby model is long in the tooth, stocks are running low and harder to get DJM might think about a King, ...........................................assuming all the armchair badmouthers have not killed his business by then

If you read the posts about how D J Models is funded, their own range of models is self funded and is contingent on funds being generated by ongoing project sales. There is a substantial number of planned, in CAD and in tooling models waiting to be funded this way stretching out for several years at least. Any OO King would have to displace another model (an open invitation to a lynching) or it has to go to the back of the self "funding" queue. Dave has proposed a crowdfunded approach to allow some models to jump the funding queue, and this includes a possible N King. He, at this stage has very wisely avoided going head to head with the existing OO King model and frankly if he did he would repeat the problem of going head to head with the N class 92 which is currently being crowdfunded.

I understand that Hattons have pulled the plug due to the competing product and that D J Models are no longer being paid to develop the model for them. Therefore any order issues are between Hattons and their customers and don't involve D J Models.