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Bill, it seemed a good idea to work out the identity of the 012 by the diagrams, but I can't tell much from my notes. Also my earlier northbound shots include some where I was also too far away to identify the loco. To be honest I didn't have much of an idea at the time about loco diagrams, I was really just 'flying blind'! Here are a couple more taken on my final day in the area, on 18th August 1974 north of Lingen, before we caught our train back to Rheine for the return journey home. I can hear the sound of barrels being scraped as I uploaded these two shots, as I don't really have many more passable photos to show! However, thanks to everyone for sharing their pics and info on the subject, even though no-one on the same trip came forward. I am tempted to resurrect an earlier thread of mine from 2014 trying to track down members of a trip to South Africa in 1976, but with more photos this time. See you on another thread! Cheers Trevor

Some more great shots there, Bill. Looks like 012 063-4 eluded me, unless it was in a distant photo, too far away to identify. (Doesn't look like it has any distinguishing marks to spot from a distance.) Such as this one, of a southbound train north of Meppen. This would have been a great spot if there was some exhaust - it must have been slowing for the station stop. The line in the background branched away from the mainline just north of the station. If I remember correctly, I saw a small diesel with a couple of wagons crossing the bridge but didn't bother with a photo. Cheers Trevor

Thanks for the further info, Bill. You are right, my earlier shot at Rheine does show the withdrawn locos on the left hand side. I didn't take much notice of them at the time as they were dead, probably minus any identification plates, and were on the shadow side of the sun. Where in the depot did you see the 011, as a matter of interest? Your latest pic was indeed taken at the same spot as mine of the 044. I was probably standing on that pathway crossing the tracks in the foreground, a bit to the left of you. Nice photo, by the way, including a bit of other interest as well as the main subject. Regarding the book, I expect you paid a bit more than I did (!) and I hadn't realised how expensive in real terms it must have been when new. Cheers Trevor

Ouch - not a pretty sight, Bill. (I mean the subject, not the photo.) I wonder if they were there on my visit. I have a vague recollection of seeing a withdrawn 011, which I had completely forgotten about until I saw your picture. Here's a shot of an 044 at Rheine with a row of withdrawn locos and tenders behind it. I think it's Impossible to tell what they are from this angle. Also, thanks for clearing up my query about through trains from Hook of Holland to Rheine. The first vehicle in my earlier photo with electric loco 1108 does give the impression of a long-distance through train to the middle of Europe. Cheers Trevor

More great shots, there, Bill. Although I saw several ore double-headers I didn't manage to photograph any, unfortunately. I am also running out of suitable shots from Germany, so instead here is the first pic I took on that trip in August 1974 - our train at Hook of Holland which was hauled as far as Utrecht by Netherlands Rly (NS) No 1108. My notes tell me another NS loco No 1136 was in charge from there to Hengelo - perhaps our train reversed at Utrecht with the new loco on the other end? From Hengelo we had DB d-h No 220 031-9 to Rheine. Would this have been a through train all the way from the coast? I don't remember heaving luggage on and off trains on the journey there. On our return the final run from Utrecht to H of H was behind NS No 1501 (ex-BR E27003 Diana​). I believe this loco is now preserved in the Netherlands. It must have been getting dark because I didn't manage a photo of it. Many thanks to everyone for contributing to this thread. Cheers Trevor

Excellent piece of detective work, Bill. Yes, it must be 082. I have amended my records accordingly. I have several other photos of this loco but all from the other side. (Funnily enough, the LH deflector also looks as if it's had a bit of a bash!) Many thanks. Here are a couple of ore trains near Meppen station - the b&w is heading north, the colour is going south, both on 17th August 1974. Cheers Trevor

Some more great shots, there, Bill. Plus a nice tonal range on a lot of your pics - must be slow that PanF film with hardly any grain showing which you mentioned. Good to see '061 with the missing cabside plate again! Here are a couple more of mine, with another request. The southbound 012 near Meppen was too far away to identify, but I notice it has a (distinctive?) dent in its right hand smoke deflector. I'm clutching at straws here, but can anyone identify it from that? (in the same way that Deltic fans can spot a particular loco at fifty paces by the rust marks, etc!) The 043 was snaking its way under the wires past Rheine station with northbound hopper wagons. Cheers Trevor

Here are a couple of shots from Rheine shed on 16th August 1974. This was the only 012 in a remotely photographable position, if I remember correctly, alongside an 042 fresh from the paint shop - or at least its wheels seemed to be! Trevor

Thanks for those, Bill. Although the 220 hydraulic in your link is not one of 'my' locos, it is rather a nice shot. That is a super broadside photo of the 042 - I have zoomed in on it and you can see the slight pan, with the loco pin sharp and the blurred wheel spokes - very nice. Trevor

Another great shot, Bill. I'll have to upload some more shed views in due course, but here are a couple more action pics. Having veered off course a bit by posting that Class 104 electric, here is a shot of a Class 216 diesel-hydraulic just north of Rheine station on 16th August. (These were introduced as the V160, and in his book 'Hydraulic vs. Electric' David Clough refers to them as 'the German Hymek'). I actually travelled behind one of these that weekend - No 216 037-2, but didn't photograph it. Does anyone have a picture of this particular loco? I also had two journeys behind d-h locos of the original V200 Class (the ones which were the inspiration for the BR D800 'Warships'), Nos 220 031-9 and 220 071-5, this latter one now preserved as a static exhibit at the Technikmuseum in Speyer. But again, I didn't take any pictures of them - could anyone else post one, please? The second pic is of 012 100-4 (again!) leaving Rheine station on the same day. This one was well-used that weekend - I took three pictures of it, all heading north, on each of the three days I was there. Please keep the photos coming, gents. Cheers Trevor

Thanks for that information, Eddie. Sadly I never saw any 'real' East German steam but pictures I have seen certainly bear out what you say. Two more, both at Rheine on 16th August 1974, the day we arrived. The northbound 043 was north of the station just before the end of the overhead wires, and the electric was in the station waiting to head south. It must have already been standing there as our train got in, as I can't ever recall seeing an 012 being taken off a southbound train. (Certainly don't have a photo of that happening.) Cheers Trevor

More evocative shots, Bill. That bridge is quite spectacular - pity I never got there. Incidentally, my previous shot was of a 2-8-2 on an ore train. Was this unusual? - all my other pics show the big 2-10-0s working them. Perhaps it was being run in after works(!) Here are a couple of an 012 waiting to back on to a northbound train at Rheine on 18th August. Shows some nice weathering on the wheels. Fortunately this one still had its DB plate on the cabside - they always looked a bit bare without them (a bit like a 'Britannia' without its nameplates, perhaps?) Cheers Trevor

Thanks for that, Bill. Now that I think about it, I agree with you about the non-gloss finish of the black paint as applied pre-preservation. In fact I'm pretty sure those boiler bands were never polished, either. Earlier in this thread there are some shots of other preserved locos and some have shiny bands, others do not. Here's the cleanest loco I saw in 1974 - 042 164-4 near Lingen with ore hoppers - non-shiny black with no polished bands. Thanks for pointing out the discrepancy over the number of the 042 in the b&w shot. My 1974 Rheiner Dampf has a list of allocations and the one you mentioned is on it. Must be that one, then. (That's what I like about the 'check number' at the end - keeps spotters right as well as the computer system!) Looking forward to seeing more of your pics. Cheers Trevor

I've just come across this shot I took in 1976 of 012 104-6 as preserved, during its spell at Carnforth. Notice the sheet of flames under the firebox. Did anyone photograph a working example as clean as this? Cheers Trevor

Thanks for the information, Bill. I'll check them out. Glad you liked the 043 shot. It was cropped in a bit, hence the slight telephoto effect. Here is another one - an 042 leaving Meppen with a northbound passenger train (instead of the expected 012), apparently No 042 353-2 according to notes on the negative packet. Keep the photos coming! Cheers Trevor

Two more excellent photos there, Bill. As you will recall from my earlier post all the locos were facing away from the turntable when we went to Rheine shed. Yes, that is the tour I was on, which you found advertised in World Steam. I probably saw the same one in Railway World or Railway Mag around around June 1974.Incidentally, I started this thread to try and locate anyone else from the same tour - no luck so far. Any ideas where else I could try, rather than a model railway site? Regarding the Steeneken book - I bought mine in a PDSA charity shop a year or two ago for about £1 !! Here's another one of mine - northbound ore empties at Lingen station, just below the footbridge at the north end, which Google Earth shows has since been removed. Cheers Trevor

Good stuff, Bill. If I had been there for more than a couple of days I expect I would have found some good spots like you did. Love the location of your shot near Meppen. Thanks for the info on the book, which I had not come across before. On the same theme - have you seen 'All Trains To Stop' by Hans Steeneken, published by Ian Allan in 1979? All b&w, a mix of end of BR steam, NCB, French and German steam. Quite a few on Rheine-Emden. Some brilliant photography, more arty/atmospheric than most picture books. The photographer is Dutch but all the text is in English - a continental Colin Gifford, perhaps? Continuing the original theme, here are a couple of shots of the same loco - 012 100-4. The b&w was northbound at Meppen on 17th August 1974, the colour was northbound (again) at Lingen the following day. Cheers Trevor

Mike/Bill: thank you for clearing up the meaning of the sign at Meppen. I had a feeling it meant something like that. Bill: that's a dramatic shot of the oil train crossing the bridge. I was not aware of that spot but we must have passed over it on our way from Rheine to Lingen. I think I have found the location on Google Earth. I didn't know about the oil refinery at Holthausen either - presumably the train in this shot just north of Rheine station (still under the wires) was on its way there. Cheers Trevor

Bill - thank you for the translation. Here's another one for you but you'll have to use your imagination a bit - part of the sign is missed off the photo! To be honest, I don't think I was even aware of it when I took the picture at the north end of Meppen station. It's of a southbound freight double-headed rather unusually I think by D-H 212 151-5 and 012 080-8. Apparently something is 'verboten' (forbidden) - hopefully not photography at this spot. I'm glad you are dusting off your old pics, Bill. Keep them coming! A nice shot at Leschede - do you have any at Meppen or Lingen where I was? Most of my pics of German trains in action also show the continuous escape of steam below the cylinders. Pardon my ignorance, but It seems a waste of steam - not just the drain cocks, is it? Cheers Trevor

Bill & bingley hall: thank you for confirming those dates. Also bingley hall: ah! Rheine shed. Nice view of an 043 on the turntable. The first working steam shed I visited since Lostock hall back in 1968. Here are some of my pics from 16th August 1974. Any German speakers here to translate the sign, please? Pity the locos are facing the wrong way across the turntable, but helpfully they all had the loco number on the back of the tender. Cheers Trevor

Thanks Ray. Here's another one at Lingen, taken from the platform after we had just alighted from the train. I like the lady with the shopping bags on the left, unaware, no doubt, that she had just travelled on one of the last steam-worked routes in Western Europe! Steam passenger workings ended here the following year, right? As I mentioned in an earlier post, the loco has lost its brass(?) DB plate from the cabside. If I half close my eyes and ignore the external plumbing along the boiler etc., this could almost be a Gresley A3 (the smoke deflectors help, of course!) Keep the pictures coming in, gents. Cheers Trevor

Ray - thanks for the 094 pic. No, I was not aware of this at the time. Some of the party may have visited the works but I was away up the line taking photos, no doubt. Here is my shot at Lingen showing the works in the background - was the 094 visible from the platform or was it tucked away on the far side? I have examined all my shots which include the works and no sight of it. Google Earth shows the tower still standing today (although a new road now passes right in front of it) and part of the works appears semi-derelict. It also shows the Rheine shed site, with the semi-roundhouse still standing! Cheers Trevor

Once again, many thanks for adding to this thread, everyone. Bill - glad you enjoyed my efforts on the David Heys site. For anyone else interested, check out pages 69 and 70 (Whoops, I've just blown my cover!) Ray (Marshall5) - Nice to see your pics of 'my' two 012s (the ones I travelled behind in 1974.) I see 012 061-8 appears to have its DB plate on the left hand cabside missing - same as when I saw it. No, sadly I didn't see the 094 at Lingen. Does anyone have a photo of where it was? I have a shot from the south with the works in the background and no sign of it there. Yes, I've still got my 'Rheiner Dampf' book from 1974, the one with 012 075-8 on the cover. Liked the group shot - definitely from another era! (If this had been in the fifties/early sixties no doubt you would all have been wearing jackets and ties!) I wish I had taken similar photos. Here's another one of mine from August 1974 - an 043 with iron ore empties for Emden crossing the River Ems near Meppen. A friend of mine who had previously been to the line had kindly supplied me with a sketch map of likely locations at Meppen and Lingen otherwise I would never have found this spot. Cheers Trevor

Thank you for the updates, gents. Some great shots on the webpage you quoted, Bill. You got to a lot of places I didn't. My only other visit was much more recently, in 2005, when I had a holiday in the Harz area. Good stuff, but not the same as Pacifics or double-headed ore trains! Trevor

Thanks for that, Bingley Hall. Sad to hear your update on Bill. I remember him telling me that he enjoyed organising all the details of overseas travel. Better him than me - I would find it a logistical nightmare! A note for photographers - I was in error saying I was using a Rolleiflex in 1974. Thinking back, I had a Minolta Autocord, although it also shot 2 1/4 square negs. Here's another pic taken with it - a view from our hotel, just across the road from Lingen station! 012 075-8 is entering from the south, passing preserved 082 008-4, with several VW cars in evidence. Well organised, Bill! Trevor