844fan
-
Posts
348 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Blogs
Gallery
Events
Exhibition Layout Details
Store
Posts posted by 844fan
-
-
I have to say I am a sucker for oddities. I enjoy the more obscure Locomotives and rolling stock. Now I want to do more research into this kind of thing for modeling. Anyone have any strange Goods rolling stock out there?
I've found this
It's a GWR Wagon that kinda looks a bit like a cross between a Standard Plank Wagon mixed with a flatbed. Anyone know more on this one? Any other interesting ones?
-
Yes, it was an ice scraper for the third rail.
Well then that solves that mystery. I suspect Ice was a bigger problem for suspended lines since it not only interfered with the power continuity but also weighed down the rail like it can do to overhead power lines. I've seen that kind of damage first hand three years in a row.
-
I think you are thinking of "Mermaid" which worked at Monks ferry before Lively polly and had large dumb buffers, i have a shot somewhere.
I don't think so. All pictures I've seen are of the same loco but with differnt Dumb Buffer setups. Unless "Mermaid" Was of the same class I highly doubt it. Anyone know of any pictures of "Mermaid"? That way we can figure it out.
-
A device for cleaning the third (live) rail?
Makes sense to me. I wish there were a way to figure out the color in old photos with some software. Love to know what livery she sported.
-
As I can ascertain (and there may be some dispute), it was originally a Kitson tram locomotive built in 1884 (b/n T111) and supplied to the West Lancashire Railway (no. 12 "CROSSENS"). It was subsequently re-purchased by Kitson's and converted to a conventional locomotive and fitted with new worksplates dated 1893. It (she) went into service on the Liverpool Overhead Railway, acquiring the name "Lively Polly". Sold in 1948, she was overhauled by Cudworth & Johnson of Wrexham and went to Monk's Ferry coal wharf, Birkenhead in 1949. I can find no record that the locomotive survives.
As built the locomotive had 3'0" driving wheels.
http://mikemorant.smugmug.com/keyword/overhead#!/
I've taken the liberty of copying a photo from the discussion on the Industrial Railway Society Yahoo Group mentioned in the above link. The original source was an Ian Allan "ABC of Minor Railways Locomotives", 1945. The "side tanks" are valences covering the valve gear.
Oh wow Eddie you are a wealth of information my friend. This brings the total photo amount up to 5. Huh she started life as a Tram engine. Thats interesting and certainly explains why she is so small after her rebuild.
Side tanks doubling as splashers is a neat concept. And by my guess her cylinders are much larger than I thought. Bigger than the Flying Buffer Beams' if I may say so judging from these pictures.
your photo insert doesnt dosent work Eddie
Should work now.
-
there was a kitson tank that is quoted as working on the liverpool overhead.
http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/8/88/Im195703RM-Kitson.jpg
Oh nice another shot of her. It's a very clear shot too. Though I don't like how she got the blockey Dumb buffers. The Bracket style ones she had in a few other shots look so much nicer.
Looking at the caption date on the original photo that would be the demolition contractors' loco.
Ah so a demo company. I'm guessing it was for decomissioning the old line.
-
Is this one of the pics you found?
Cheers
David
That is a neat little engine. But I do believe that is not Lively Polly. For one thing Lively Polly had Dumb Buffers and was never fitted with properly sprung ones.
But that one does seem to be from Liverpool for the right line. Maybe it was her replacement when she went to Monks Ferry. You have given me another puzzle here David. And that is fine by me as I like these little shunters.
Maybe I should rename the topic to Liverpool Overheas steam.
Thank you much,
844fan
-
Hello all,
I'm not 100% sure this is the correct place to post this so if not I will move it.
Anyway I've been after information for ages on a one of a kind tank engine. So far I've only leared a few things. Firstly she is the only engine of the Liverpool Overhead Railway powered by steam. Two She worked at Monks Ferry Wharf near Birkenhead.
She is a 0-4-0 tank by the name of "Lively Polly" and I want to model her. Unfoutionetly I've come up dry on so many of my searches for information about her. As well I have only found 4 photos of her. Anyone have any clues where I can search?
I'm wanting to also figure out her pulling power prototipicly so I know what kind of trains she could pull. But with so little information I can't even guess.
Anyway any help would be appriceated.
Thanks all,
844fan
Odd wagons of the UK
in UK Prototype Questions
Posted
I do believe your right. So they were primarily used to carry Sleepers. But I'm guessing from their use with concrete works thay could handel other loads. Most likely crated goods and the like not sure if the could for example carry loose coal loads like a standard wagon.