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The delivery of HA21 on the 5th May marked the passing of the half way point for the delivery of ScotRail HST trailers. Long way to go yet, I don’t think Wabtec will achieve their August target (like all their other missed target dates) but I’d like to be proved wrong.

Brian.

Thanks for all the advice and encouragement from everyone on here, chopping up now underway.

Brian.

A further couple of  questions, how well does Replica glazing fit Triang Mk1 BSK and CK coaches? How does Replica glazing compare with SE Finecast glazing in Triang Mk1s?

The whole of the old North British Railway east coast route from the Forth Bridge to Montrose is a badly built and poorly planned railway, it’s just one after another speed restriction before an incline. Sir Nigel Gresley went as far as designing the P2, the most powerful express steam locomotive class to try and deal with it.

3 hours ago, Phil Bullock said:

 

Morning . Been thinking about this and looking again.... hope you dont mind me pointing this out.

 

Would I be correct in assuming you intend to use sections A & B to give you the corridor side back to the rear vestibule? Your section 5 will give you the correct window spacings - and therefore the correct length - for the compartment side as you are taking them from the first class compartments of the CK. Unfortunately unless you are planning to insert spacing sections I am afraid splicing A and B will leave you short on the corridor side as these are the second class compartments which are smaller and therefore the windows are closer together - which will mean the windows wont align with the compartments and the vestibule doors wont align.

 

As Hornby never did an FK or RFO in their original Mk1 range unfortunately you cant use both sides of one of their coaches without a lot of cut and shuts or compromising window alignment. Getting hold of another CK would help you as you could use the 4 window first class section from that for your corridor side.

 

Kind regards

 

Phil

 

 

Thank you for taking the time to think about my wee project. You’re correct assuming that section B is to replace the corridor side door and two small windows. I understand your thinking in compartment sizes but if you think in bits of plastic I think it should work. By cutting along the inside edge of the toilet window window frame and the inside edge of the stretcher window frame, and the outer edges of the two small windows it should be an OK fit.

Sorry to hi-jack this thread. I’m in the planning stage of my first Triang Mk1 Cut ‘n’ Shut improvement, hopefully at the end have a diagram AB11 BFK with c/w bogies. A couple of questions, does anybody know what type of roof ventilators were fitted to the final Lot number 14023-14027 and does my picture below look like a workable plan of what goes where from a BSK and a CK.

1 hour ago, black and decker boy said:

Report in Modern Railways says Wabtec expect final trailers to be handed over by August this year. All sets being delivered as 4 cars with the 5th cars the final conversions. Report was written pre-crisis so timings may be affected.

 

Longevity of the HSTs would depend on availability of suitable replacement stock (class 222 from EMR would seem the only option in 2023 once their class 80x are in service) or availability of finance to buy a new fleet (unlikely to be in traffic before 2024)

Wabtec haven’t achieved any delivery targets they’ve so far set, I expect it will be the usual sporadic delivery then trying to be made fit for use for a while before finally entering traffic.

If class 222 do become the ScotRail HST replacement it is possible that the  first class 222 will arrive with ScotRail  before the last delivered HST trailers Wabtec warranty has ended!

Brian.

On 05/04/2020 at 21:22, AberdeenBill said:

 

Like many, I've been stuck at home the past couple of weeks and all the HSTs I've seen passing through Dyce are refurbished.   Have they all now been delivered?

 

Thanks and stay safe and well,

Bill 

Haven’t even got half the trailers yet (half of the trailer rakes are supposed to be 5 car), I wonder how long the final trailer to be delivered will actually get to spend in traffic with ScotRail?

Got 2 (029 and 033) from Rails a wee while back when they arrived on these shores, which gives me a grand total of 6ish Class 27. 4 Heljan, 1 Heljan chassis and Lima body currently on my workbench being 27/2ised and a Lima 27 that I modified from a 33 with a Craftsman kit back in the 1980s when that was all that was available for a 27. I may get some more later this year.

Brian.

The MDW wagons that went to Fort Bill were for scrap metal, it was an ‘as required’ flow of  used metal strap bindings, I know the chap who had to climb up and in to the wagon with a set of cutters to make sure the springy metal wouldn’t spring out of gauge in transit. 

18 hours ago, andyman7 said:

By my reckoning, the release of the Class 21 now means that every single mainline diesel class of the BR modernisation plan has been made as an RTR model in 4mm. I'm discounting the Playcraft H0 D6100 for this exercise. Off the top of my head, the list of each class followed by the first RTR model would be:

Class 14/15/16/17 - Heljan; Class 20 - Hornby Dublo; Class 21/22 - Dapol; Class 23 - Heljan; Class 24 - Bachmann; Class 25 - Hornby; Class 26/27 - Lima; Class 28 - Hornby Dublo; Class 29 - Hornby; Class 31 - Triang; Class 33 - Lima; Class 35/37 - Triang; Class 40 - Jouef; Class 41 - Kernow; Class 42 - Lima/Mainline; Class 43 - Bachmann; Class 44/46 - Bachmann; Class 45 Mainline; Class 47/48 - Hornby; Class 50 - Lima; Class 52 Hornby/Lima; Class 53 - Heljan; Class 55 - Lima.

I agree with the gist of the above post, that all the BR mainline classes have now been done in rtr and pretty much all of them are now done to the current exacting standard. All that’s left is the short lived Class 48 (which could be lumped in with other small sub classes) and oddities such as the Fell and the ‘Super’ Clayton.

Back OT, sadly I can’t justify a Class 21 for myself as I use 1970 as a cut off (unless they produce a cheap scrapline train pack!), where as the Class 29 is very tempting. The problem is new Heljan 27s, Oxford ScotRail Mk3a, Hornby J36. Scottish railway modellers have never had it so good/financially challenging.

Brian.

6 hours ago, fiftyfour fiftyfour said:

The interior partitions on a Mk3 SLE/SLEP are not structural, you can rip the whole lot out without causing any problem to the shell. What you cannot do (as GNER found out after the event to their extensive cost/embarrassment) is change the window layout in any meaningful way, they have more evenly spaced vertical strengthening vs a "daytime" Mk3 which needed to have window sized gaps. This meant that the third-hand Mk3 sleepers they imported back from Denmark (?!) were of no use whatsoever as donor vehicles to extend their HST rakes to nine cars, although they did briefly flirt with the idea of a passenger coach with little windows.

Thanks for the clarification.

They could’ve become private compartment coaches for families, business meetings, those that hate travelling in the company of strangers, etc. A bit of imagination and marketing and a whole new market Of travellers might’ve opened up.

Brian.

One of the more positive aspects of the Mk3 Sleepers is that the underframe hasn’t suffered from 40 years of corrosive urine unlike the unrebuilt daytime Mk3 vehicles. The big negative for the Mk3 sleepers is they they’re structurally unsuitable for interior layout modification, the interior partitions are part of its structure. The ones that have gone to preserved railways I expect to last much longer than the Mk1s they’re replacing. 
For future mainline or heritage use the rebuilt Mk3s are the ones to bide they’re time for until their available, a lot less underframe corrosion issues and toilet tanks (CET), they’re the heritage future.

Just for information. The swing links on a BT10 are the two vertical bars either side of the air suspension towards the outside of the bogie on both sides. Short ones are more recessed in the underside of the bolster than long ones, to the untrained eye it can be hard to tell the difference. The safety loops on the outside are not a good guide to identify them from a distance.

Brian.

10 hours ago, Scottish-Exile said:

I've held off buying so far but will see if theres any at Model Rail Scotland where no doubt I'll succumb.

Resistance is futile, they’re cracking ‘wee injuns’. A tough start to the year for my credit card with these, the new batch of Oxford ScotRail Mk3a coaches and Model Rail Scotland in a few weeks.

Miniature loco snow ploughs tended to be removed for the summer (when most photos were taken) and then fitted for the winter (when fewer photos were taken), and often they were not removed for the summer and not fitted for the winter either! If you have definite photo evidence it helps, but just because nobody took a photo of it  (film was expensive) didn’t mean they were or were not fitted. The only general rule on 26s and 27s snow ploughs is that 26/0 and the E&G 27s were never fitted.

Rule 1 can always be applied to 27029 and snow ploughs.

13 minutes ago, WILLIAM said:

 

Boiler working well on that one, has any one ever fitted a seuthe smoke unit (other brands are available) to a coach end to replicate steam heat?

Here’s my attempt at a replated  Dia 1/107 on the left and an early 1970s rebuild on the right. Both made using Parkside kits with additional doors from Dapol bodies (because they were very cheap), and brass brake levers.

Brian.

9 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

Back in my drinking days it was reckoned that more than 1.5 pints of beer put you over the then limit. The limit has since been reduced making anything more than a pint of beer (or equivalent) being enough to put you over the limit. Mind you back in those days my usual drinking holes were within walking/staggering distance of home and I used public transport to take me to work. 

A pint will put you over the limit nowadays, even a half pint is far too risky. So it’s nothing alcoholic at all if you might be driving.

Many years ago I had to reverse my car down a narrow private farm track after drinking 4 cans of beer, one of the most difficult driving experiences I’ve ever had.

Brian.

4 hours ago, adb968008 said:

 

sorry but confusion still persists, more so now..

it shows 2716 as 27030 Weathered, but the image really doesnt look weathered to me ?

https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/magento/Heljan-hn2716.html

 

 

ive gone the safe route and skipped ordering it for now and stick to the other 3 unweathered ones, Haymarket, Inverness and the 27/1. Scottie dog unweathered is my want though.

Probably the wise thing to do, weathering can be a bit Marmite.

27001 weathering is in my opinion, one of the better rtr weathering I’ve seen. So hopefully 27030 will be acceptable.

After waiting a long time for a new batch of TOPS 27s from Heljan, this new batch is a bit overwhelming. I want them all! But bank account says only one, maybe two, or three if I can manage without food for a bit!

Brian

4 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Am a bit confused on Heljan2716..

 

27030 Eastfield Scottie dog version.

 

Hattons says it’s weathered.. showing an image of 27030

Rails says it’s no boiler tanks.. but listed as 27029.

 

neither’s image looks weathered, but light weathering might not show

 

Does anyone know ?

Photos of the actual models are up on the Gaugemaster website.

Heljan 2716

27030, Blue FYE, Eastfield Westie dog, no boiler tank, unweathered.

Heljan 2718

27029, Blue FYE, Inverness Stag (Black on Yellow), no boiler tanks, unweathered.

They all look very tempting, I particularly like 27001 in GFE. Although it was short lived in this style, I am a sucker for green TOPS numbered locos.

Brian.

If you go on the Modelmaster website you’ll find the decal sets that are supplied with the Peco Parkside kits. The decals clearly have ‘Parkside Models by PECO’ along the top and ‘Waterslide transfers made in the U.K. for PECO by MODELMASTER.UK’ along the bottom. Just find the set that matches the Parkside kit and that will be the one included.

You can order the decals for the kits directly from Modelmaster but they’re a bit behind with orders as Jim Grindlay injured his thumb last year and then was rear ended in his car in December. They’re a ‘mom & pop’ type of operation so your order will be fulfilled, but not quickly.

I have no links to Modelmaster other than a very satisfied repeat customer. Other decal manufacturers produce decals that can be used on some of the Peco Parkside as well.

Brian.

Timings for tomorrow.

Units are 314202 and 314205.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/M13988/2019-12-18/detailed

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/M13989/2019-12-18/detailed

A final ECS run to Shields T.M.D. and  then the ‘Argyle Units’ will be no more.

Brian.

15 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

Ayr and back - will they be supplying buckets.

I think they’re all being used on the leaky HST’s.

https://www.scotrail.co.uk/about-scotrail/news/so-long-farewell-scotrail’s-class-314-goodbye

Thought I’d put this here in case anyone is in or around Glasgow on Wednesday 18/12/19, last chance to see or ride on a 314.

Hornby are currently too busy producing the refurbished Mk3 trailers to be putting their finite resources in to doing a Mk3a, I don’t see any part of a refurbished Mk3 trailer that would be suitable for a Mk3a without it being at least as unsatisfactory as the current offerings.

I expect the Oxford ScotRail Mk3a TSO twinpack will appear this year as the first batch of singles of these flew off the shelves. 
The Oxford Mk3a is not going to have competition for quite some time. Like it or lump it.

Brian.