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http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/107569-peco-announces-bullhead-track-for-oo/page-106&do=findComment&comment=2778781

Thanks. Wow! 

I have a Class 56 "Harworth Colliery" (R3033XS) body and I would like to pair it up with a suitable chassis.

Which of the following Hornby Class 56 models could I use for a donor with no modifications (I may have missed some models)?

R2645 (BR Blue)

R2646 (Red stripe)

R2647 (Coal sector)

R2648 (EWS)

R2750 (EWS)

R2751 (Loadhaul)

R2752 (Metals sector)

R2776 (Fastline)

R2962 (Oystermouth)

R3050 (BR Blue)

R3052 (Construction sector)

R3181 (Large arrow)

R3265 (Colas) 

Anyone who has bought this and weathered & laid it got any photos how good it looks?

Read somewhere about an underground oil depot up in Liverpool and once came across details regarding the MoD's Box Tunnel complex in Wiltshire. Although I'm not referring to the tube I'm aware there also used to be a very complex underground network around Farringdon in London.

Wondered if members knew of any other underground railway "systems" (i.e. something besides a simple tunnel) in Britain? 

Hi, anybody have any grey Bachmann Shell TTA wagons? New/used, whatever.

(Not Shell-BP)

From another posting on RM,  http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/121872-unifrog/

 is possible news of the frogs on the bullhead points being the Peco Unifrog type, where a large plastic filled break is put in the blade to insulate the frog, which is reduced to a tiny tip area that can be switched or not as the user feels like.

 

Now I cannot contact Peco today or till after the Easter Holidays to confirm, or get a denial, about this step, but "IF" it is true it ruins the advances in design and appearance of the bullhead points.

 

I hope it is not true and solid blades are fitted, with all metal surfaces, as a proper point should be, and I hope the checkrails will be nickel silver as well.

 

 I for one would find it amazing for Peco to take such a retrograde step and try to make the point more suited to toy trains use than scale model railway use.

 

For these reasons I trust that the poster is wrong, and the insulted frogs will be dropped in favour of Unifrog, but Elecrofrogs are left alone, or improved on with metal checkrails.

 

If the poster is correct then I for one will not be buying the new points, and it is deeply worrying that it may be correct, so has any body else heard this rumour, or has actual facts at their disposal?

 

Stephen

Could perhaps post the peco email address and everyone in this thread could contact them, persuading them to change a design (I don't know how likely that is/if its too late in the design stage)??

I could be wrong, but seems like this new Peco track is gaining admirers, which can only increase the effort Peco put in to this range and therefore beneficial for us.

When are the Peco points due? I'm wondering what will be better between Peco and D&C concepts. Either way its good there is now choice!

Why do people keep mentioning protection etc? Force payment via paypal and the only people who resolve disputes will be paypal. Simple.

We have a "Wanted" forum, could we not just have a "Available" forum? I have a lot of items I'd prefer to sell on here rather than ebay.

I doubt an "Available" forum would take much time setting up, compared with B&S?

A photo in the March edition of Rail Express shows a short rake of de-branded green TTAs behind a Freightliner 66. The working was apparently an Ipswich- Immingham empty tanks.

I found a fair few pics on flickr of unbranded green TTAs at Ipswich. Just couldn't find any BP-branded.

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A book on model wagons published in 2008 says that the branding was removed "a few years ago" in a re-branding exercise by BP, though I find the explanation given above more plausible - the wagons are no longer BP-owned. In 2003-5 when I lived in Edinburgh I always chose Thursday (or was it Tuesday?) to go walking alongside the WHL so as to see the little green tankers, and I don't recall seeing branded versions. This is the earliest photo I have - 2006 - all unbranded. EDIT: you'll notice the subject of one of Bachmann's models in the photo - 53774: 

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I'm not sure how close it relates to what you said, but I found a media release from VTG saying they had bought BPs tanker fleet:

http://railwaystrategies.co.uk/article-page.php?channelid=94&contentid=10989&issueid=335

I just used Google and searched "BP TTA" and went to images and found quite a lot, many branded. What search engine did you use?

 

Edit: now looked again and see Flickr. Just use google.

 

Roy

Hi. I was referring to the BP-branded green TTAs.

As said, they're now debranded and used for Jet A1 aviation fuel. I believe the main flow is from Grangemouth, and utilises Colas locos:

 

Hi, thanks. Aware of this but I wanted to find pics of the BP branded green TTAs, as per the Bachmann BP TTA model.

The green livery is a 90s+ thing, so I wouldn't expect you to find them in 1970s or 80s photo's. 

 

The de-branded ones in the last few years reflect that the wagons are no longer owned by BP.

 

Are you looking for photo's of wagons specifically? There are plenty of sites to try that will probably be more productive than just searches:

 

Here's a good place to start: http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=bp

Hi, appreciate that regarding 70s/80s (no idea why I mentioned that now) but I was looking at groups including up to the present day too. I must have come across ~1,000 pics of TTA rakes, but no green wagons.

I'm not just after pictures of isolated wagons, I wanted to see the rakes and which engines were pulling them.

Spent a very long time on flickr last few weekends, mainly groups aimed at Class 37s, British railfreight, industrial railway photos and I came across hundreds of photos of brown bitumen and grey petroleum TTAs, but I only saw a single photo of the green BP TTAs (as per the Bachmann and Farish models). I did find a few photos of tanks in Ipswich which were green, but had no BP logo.

I just wondered if someone in the know could give me some background on when/where these green TTAs (with the yellow BP logo) were used? I know they are probably the same wagons which are currently based as grangemouth, but I'm referring to when they were BP branded and not used for aviation fuel.

Long enough to double the price

Is by the end of 2017 a realistic expectation? Or beginning of 2018?

Can someone guess how long Class B Bitumen TTA tank wagon will take if its at the "Drawing Office (China)" stage?

Was watching a video on youtube last night, from Warley 2016:

If you go to 12:55 in the video. Will this new Peco track ever allow us to get something closely resembling this track? It just looks so great (but its O gauge).

Bachmann 32-379 Class 37 (weathered): in both directions the forward lights work as expected, however, again in both directions the rear lights don't work at all and instead the forward lights flicker. 

Interestingly the forward lights only flicker when ran at medium speed. When ran at the highest speed the forward lights at the rear don't flicker at all. Regardless of the speed or direction, no rear lights are visible.

I am of the understanding that "running in" will not solve this problem? What is required?

I had similar feelings after problems with cutting the rail and twisting it accidently. It occurred too often for my liking. Plus there is the soldering problem. A unique selling point is okay if it improves on something else. In my view, stainless steel was a regular pain in the butt and the whole length of track was like a limp piece of rope. That said, i have three unopened boxes of the stuff if someone cares to make me an offer.

Don't ever work in sales  

Their flexi-track is actually available for a few months now. Peco isn't yet. Scaleway and C&L have been available for years.

 

Their sleepers are thin, similar to Scaleway. Peco and Exactoscale are thick.

 

Their rail is stainless steel. All the others are nickel-silver.

 

Their rail is inclined. Peco is very likely to be vertical. The others are inclined.

 

DCC Concepts have announced pointwork will have "narrow flangeways" and be based on prototype designs. The first one has been described as a B-7 turnout to Midland practice. What that means is a bit of a mystery -- the Midland Railway didn't have any B-7 turnouts (the REA designs were introduced in 1925 after the grouping). By then it was LMS, who used the standard REA designs (same as LNER, SR). Peco have said their pointwork will be based on their existing non-prototypical Code 75 FB geometry. The others don't make RTL pointwork, other than expensive hand-assembly.

 

DCC Concepts have reported that the tooling for the pointwork is well under way. But it has coincided with their move to the UK, so it's only fair to give them some leeway. Peco have said their tooling will be "difficult".

 

My guess (100% guess!) -- DCC Concepts will be first, but will be expensive, and will need an element of final user assembly (semi-kit).

 

Martin.

Sounds good. Nice to know if I mess-up building my own points there's another solution!

Could somebody summarise what DCC Concepts have announced they will offer and how does it compare with the existing C&L, SMP and this Peco announcement?

When it comes to (diesel) locos I find its easy choosing between Hornby and Bachmann because they tend to focus on different models. Bachmann tends to focus on 37, 47, 57, 66 whilst Hornby focuses on the 08, 31, 56 and 60, whilst they both produce a decent class 08.

However, in terms of wagons there seems to be a greater overlap? Hornby TTAs seem vastly inferior to Bachmann. However, I couldn't see much difference between both manufacturers' seacow wagons. 

In terms of BR Sectorisation era wagons, how does the detail compare between Hornby and Bachmann? Is Bachmann generally better or does it totally depend on which exact wagon? I don't have a model shop nearby so I am totally reliant on photos/videos and sometimes they can be deceiving. Are there any wagon models to particularly avoid?

How old do the models have to be for this problem to apply? Was the problem fixed in later 66 models?