meld

http://docs.google.c...hl=en_US&pli=1#

just the google doc login..................

Thanks BD though ........

Mike

The link just worked fine for me.

Nope. just the create an account/login page ................

Sigh..........

Mike

Hattons are aware of the issue re the polarity and have kindly supplied this link:

 

https://docs.google....?hl=en_US&pli=1

 

Its an easy job to do, 5 minutes or so, BUT, if you are not confident about doing it, dont attempt it and send it back.

Does anyone have this document .. the link only goes to a google docs login page ... not much help anymore really ... .

Thanks In Advance

Mike

Hi All,

Bogie 'handed' problem was noticed and reported in the Rail Express review, it was AFAIK reported back to Hornby before the article was sent for press .... Will look at seeing if anything other than Razer Saw Surgury can be done to correct them .....

The roof vents are also way too small and a vent is missing over the toilet area it should be a pair like all the other vents over the 1st Compartments..... replace with Southern Pride or MJT w/metal ones ...

There is a 'rain' strip/gutter above the corridor and coach door at the toilet end of the DTC's that is not on the model ... add a piece of L angel Brass or Plastic Strip

AFAIK the inner steps were removed off of most DTC,s around the same period as All MK1 coaches in line with the spread of OHL .. only the bottom one was retained ... Remove from the NSE livery one... repaint ends ...

The inner gangway doors would look better in Rail Grey .. Hornby seemed to have used a white .. mind is a tad foggy here but belive they should be a grey shade.... I'll be repainting mine.......

I also belive that the AWS isolation cocks and associated pipe work ( Although this Might be TPWS isolation equipment ) is missing from the buffer beam under the Drivers window and that the 'stirrup' Foot steps had been removed from most VEPs during refurbishment ... if it is AWS equipment it will need to be added .. definately if any of the TOC liveries are produced this is a vital detail piece

The MBSO has the Guards 'stirrup' lower footstep missing on the non-corridor side .......

I think that I'll replace the 'weedy' Shoe fuse boxes with something from Southern Pride too.....

Along with all the other previously noted mods and corrections ............

Mike.

Hi Gwiwer,

Yes 76275 did retain it's tungsten lights and deep fill bouncy seats to the end .. IIRC it replace the DTC after an accident, alway looked out for it at Victoria on the way home as it was a nice comfey ride back Home..

It is possible that it recieved a bogie swap to obtain the shoe gear and the height limiting bar ( Note from Cigs onwards they didn't technically have a shoe beam as we see it, the collector shoes were mounted on a 'beam' that was further inside the bogie and the bar on the outside is there to support the height limiting braket - hence the name ;o) and that is why it is also so much lighter in section as it takes no load unlike the CEPs and EPBs Beam ) , and obviously a unit power line and in line shoe fuses to allow it to supply power to the MBSO and not let the unit become a 'gapper'. The unit control lines already being there from it's days as a TC .

HTH

Mike

P.S. I don't ever remember any TC's getting the VEpP 3 + 2 seating in them ?? which ones do you know of then ??

Hi Dave,

<< Fumbles for Wallet, Hands over Cash - Ching !! >>

Gosh! They do look Nice, Congratulations !

May I also give you Praise & Thanks for holding the price too.

Weathring gear at the ready for these

Mike

Hi Ceptic,

Nice Detail pic there .. really shows how far forward the Gangway door is mounted too B)

Mike

Looking at the video again, i think your right regarding the cab windows being to too close together - I Think the other problem is potentially the rather collagen filled corridor connection...It's one of those problems thats hard to hit the nail on the head, but the front just still, dosent look 100%

 

Is it that the corridor connection door is moulded on the same plane as the cab fronts, rather than being set lightly forward in the gangway, if you look at the pictures it seems that the front plane of the door lines up with the plane of the 'cowel' that sits over the body half of the Gangway connection.

I could, of course be talking absolute tosh ?!?

Having spent lots of time around these units in past parts of my career, I never really looked at the relationship in this area

Just a though - we need someone with access to have a tape measure and a mooch really. Bit of a ###### it's just moved out of TWY.

The cab front windows are definately too far inboard, but is a design feature of the model to beef up the corners and protect this area from accidental damage by the end user, who may not be that sympathetic to the 'Scale' part of the models description and just happens to be Ham Fisted ?? Again just a thought

Mike

Hi All,

I have recieved a Progress/Update Report Email from Rail Exclusives ....

http://www.railexclusive.com/index.php?category=96

Starting to look extremely good now, especially the extra work on the Bogies and a narrowing of the Tanks and Battery Boxes .. Woo Hoo !! ;D

HTH

Mike

Not Quite as far away as Pete, but had booked up to go and see these a while ago and felt that it would be rude to leave early

Must try harder next year !

Mike

Horsetan, HeeHee!

On a more serious note I think that these 33's will be more value for money that the 'collectables' from the Franklin mint

Mike

Hi All.

To allow for those who feel that finding 'the dosh' as one lump might be a bit of a strain on their modelling budget.

I noticed, and thought it worthwhile pointing out here, a small snippet from the bottom of the order sheet from Rail Exclusives.

"Interest free payment plans are available to help spread the cost of your models. please telephone us for more information. A one-off £5 charge will be applied to cover the extra banking and administration costs."

Might help some, give 'em a bell and ask 'em .

I would say that it seems to be a positive step by Rail Exclusives is assisting purchasers in these wallet tightening times.

Mike

Hi Brushman47544,

I think you'll find that Jamie is a she .

Mike.

Hi John.

Are these coming with etched plates supplied? If not that is another expense to consider and nameplates/depot plaques are getting very pricey these days.

From Andys Original Post ...

"•Stainless steel worksplates, arrows, nameplates and headboards where appropriate."

B)

HTH

Mike.

 

I'm with Beast on this. They (and any other loco) are not designed to be dropped with all the resultant forces that go with gravity. They are designed to pull and push (occasionally), with all the forces along the frame.

 

If it was any other class of loco, I'm pretty sure a drop of 15-20' would be terminal also.

 

Mick

I'm also with Beast here... who remembers the pair of 31's that tried to find a new road back to the north from Cricklewood, via the north circular ?? the bottom one was bent more than a Banana and then broke when the rear one landed on it ! longditudnal forces are where the locos and rolling stock are strongest.

Mike

I saw the test shot but no photo, sorry.

 

It is of the original layout with large brake van.

 

Incidentally, loads of 4 VEPs lasted long enough with the original van to carry Network South East livery. Only around half had been rebuilt by 1990 and photos of unmodified ones in NSE colours exist.

The vehicle on show was the chassis and interior and glazed EP1 shell of the Trailer Second ( or standard ) or TS. Missing were the B4 bogies and some of the u/frame detail parts as well as the roof vents and door furniture( holes in the roof and doors for positioning though )

Also on show was a Test Shot of the Refurb'd MBSO seating unit with small van area and extra seating area and a Test Shot of a MK6 Motor Bogie .. these would look stunning under a 73 too ( Ohhh please, please, Simon )

Mike

Hi Gang;

 

Nice set of pics....but I cannot make out any evidence of an end platform walkway as is so prominent on the pic in REx Modeller. Perhaps it is just the angle of the pics. From the pic of the weathered N Gauge sample on the Dapol website, it looks like the ECC logo may need toning down too.

 

Otherwise, I think both weathered and clean versions are real winners for those that model that era/location.

 

Later;

STU from EGDL

Hi All, as Stu has noted the Burngullow stored tanks shown in this thread are of Nacco TEA tanks used on the Slurry flows of the past, the Dapol model is of the ICA Nacco tank.

However in saying that the Burngullow pictures are a nice addition and are of a vehicle that should be on a list of future models to be produced IMHO.

Please accept my thanks for posting them, Craig .

Mike

If anyone noticed - on the S4 stand at Warley we (well Mike T was) were doing some improvements to these wagons, if you didn't then you will have to wait for the article

I did , nice work too, although I'll wait for the article as well. May I enquire as to which 'Tome' it will be gracing ??

Seems that there has been a resolution to the other part of the conversation too, DAS B).

Mike.

P.S.Tell MT to laook at the JNA shots in TOPS CODE JXX for some filth .. and I'll find more for him this week as promised.

There are certainly some areas where "things could be better" but they do look like MCAs and when running round on a train, really look like MCAs - often creating a good model railway is not only about the detail on rolling stock but the ambience of the environment, and when watching 10 of these roll around Widnes behind a 60 they looked like a rake of MCAs.

Would I use them as a basis for a P4 model ? - musing this at the moment.

Using the Three foot viewing rule and watching the posted video, quite a few people would be "reasonably content" or, dare I say it, "happy" with these models, the MBA pictures on the Bachmann site are very nice and I 'can' understand the dismay being posted here by a section of the modelling community, Horses for Courses of course

The price for the Dapol MBA's is currently Approx ??18.00 with most of the larger mailorder houses and advertisers in the Mags. the possible posted price for the Bachmann is ??20.25 and Will rise I suspect when the final product arrives .. mainly due to the fact that VAT is due to rise on 1st Jan back to 17.5% ... making the MBA's a minimum of ??21.00 List and possibly greater ... in the end , as Beast is basically alluding to " you have a choice, you pays your money, you enjoy your purchase "

I would like manufacturers to get things right and we should encourage them to do so - I'm not sure some of the comments in this thread could be classified as any form of encouragement, and as I always say - if you can do it better then go and do so, then you can have my business, too many comments sound like "Angry of Telford" (this doesn't force anyone to buy anything they don't like, nor does it stop people pointing out mistakes, but if we were to start criticising each others layouts in a similar vein there would be quite a few upset people - imagine if I said "The "Wibenbury Vine Beat" is so bad they should take up a new hobby, and the hobby would be better without them" as "constructive criticism" of someones layout.)

 

I whole hartedly aggree with the above statement .. there are ways of saying things and then there are ways of saying things ....

Finnaly, as to will or won't Bachmann will produce a MCA/MDA model to go with the forthcoming MBA and MOA, I supose if there was enough of a demand for the higher detailed and priced item, don't discount it, making money is making money after all .

However unless MCA/MDA's going to replace the MOA model then expect it to be a good few years away yet .

Mike

These look like ferry highs but I am no expert on wagons.

Hi Phil.

The wagons were 21t ferry highs, as you thought.

Later the remaining wagons became OJA's and were used in Speedlink services, recieveing Red/Grey and boxed 'Railfreight' Branding.

Originally built to Dia 1/055, from lot 2851, @ Lancing in 1957. They were numbered B715020 - B715039 - 20 wagons in total.

They were built with dual brakes and had a sheet support rail as well as the usual UIC Ferry fitments.

These wagons were replaced by the PTA 88t bogie side tipping twin box 'Thompson's Mag Lime'/'Carnegie's Montrose' in 1985 I suspect(?), which used rail service between Aberdeen Ferryhill and Montrose.

AFAIK the only two left are now Private Owners with the GWS and are used to bring in Loco Coal to the GWS at Didcot, now numbered GWS5267/5268, ex B715024 and 1715029. The GWS gained ownership of these two wagons in 1989 IIRC.

HTH

Mike