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New version of the reference manual is now available. It is 36 pages longer than the previous version.

On 31/07/2023 at 09:16, brushman47544 said:

If the headcode is correct, the train is a local stopper and, in view of the Western, may be going to Paignton to form an express back to Paddington.

The head code could be a red herring.

Invader is sitting at the down end of the up main platform, I.e the opposite side of the station to normal use  for  trains bound for Paignton. There are a number of situations where this be being used,

1 some sort of disruption and the train has come from Exeter.

2 The train has come from Plymouth and Invaider has run round to head to Paignton.

3 Invaider has come off shed and replaced the loco of a train from Plymouth to change direction.

4 Invaider is shutting extra coaches onto an up train. The coaches may have come from the carriage siding or from an up train from Paignton that arrived in the up branch platform (just in the foreground).

If the train had come from Plymouth then why use the up platform and not the down ones to reverse.

2 hours ago, jamie92208 said:

Meanwhile the girls are really stepping up the pace. Cecilia is now at13, 566m and nearly 85% done.  Florence is at 13,899m and cracking on at 33 M per day, double the estimated rate.  Even Caroline, under West Ruislip has recorded over 39m per day recently and was at 2825m 3 days ago. 

 

Jamie

If Caroline and Sushila have completed almost 3k then they should be under South Ruislip not West Ruislip, they left West Ruislip back in March. 
 

At the current rate they will reach their halfway point next month, their destination being Greenford a total of about 8k.

The TXS sound files have been updated in the last week or two with new features and improvements.  It is likely that any model that is being sold with sounds pre-installed has an older version, therefore you will probably be offered the update when you first try to connect the model to the app.

According to the schedule (25/9/23) the sound profiles for the class 37 and Turbomotive in OO were due in Q3 so are now overdue. So should be available shortly.

The class 67 in OO and both versions of the class 43 in TT shown as due in Q3 (in the schedule in June) were all rescheduled to Q4..

Other profiles due in Q4 are the class 60 and 2MTin OO.

12 hours ago, RAF96 said:

The masking is set by a CV  in each car decoder - either 0 = off (both ends play everything), 1 = motor car leading or 2 = dummy car leading.

The leading car will play appropriate sounds and the trailing car will not. Upon reversing direction sounds played will transfer end to end.

The facility will be applied to future profiles for leading/trailing car units.

Is this a single CV or a group for individual sounds.

when will the manual be updated to reflect the changes for the newer versions of the profiles.

the reference manual is still dated 14/3/23 on the page footers but 14/2/23 on the update table on the last page so I think it is not worth the time looking for updates for the version changes.

25 minutes ago, Pacific231G said:

It's really just the connection at OOC that was cut. The line is still in regular use as far as just short of North Acton to serve an aggregates depot and the single track (it was singled some time ago) is still in place past North Acton Central Line station. Apart from a daily "ghost train" and occasional diversions the line hasn't carried passengers for decades. After the link to the GWML at OOC was cut, the "ghost train" ran instead down the Greenford Branch to the bay platform at West Ealing and latterly ran only weekly but the last one ran on December 7th.   

The ghost train has been replaced by a bus!, I believe it is one way only. So the only regular use between Greenford and South Ruislip is freight which uses the Greenford to West Ealing connection. But that does include the HS2 tunnel segments from Grain to West Ruislip for the western end of the Northolt Tunnels,  I.e. West Ruislip to Greenford.

20 hours ago, Chrisr40 said:

Morning all, do any of the developers know if the profile for class 37 is still due this month please ?

Thanks

37, 47, 67 and Turbomotive in OO and HST both versions in TT are all still shown as coming in Q3, but it of course ends next week, that is according to the schedule but the latest version of that seems to be from 20/6/23. I do not believe that any of the Q3 scheduled profiles have been delivered so far.

There are some pre-fitted models of these due in the next month or two so they must be close unless Hornby are slipping those.

3 hours ago, spamcan61 said:

About time they removed the DC controller compatability statement from the packaging then! I don't recall it being mentioned in the instructions included with the decoders either.

I would of thought that the packaging for the current batch of the decoders was produced long ago, and most of the decoders that have not been sold yet were on the shelves of the retailers/distributors. So changing the packaging now would be a major recall exorcise. Possibly the best that Hornby could do would be to send out stickers to be applied to the boxes, but retailers would probably want to charge Hornby to apply those.

Therefore it is unlikely that the packaging will not change until the next batch of decoders are produced, and it is to be hoped that when that occurs then the decoders will be updated with the smaller chipset.

the schedule for the non-sound decoders probably means that the packaging has not been produced yet and therefore can be changed before released. Again it might be possible that a smaller chipset will be used in those decoders.

1 hour ago, Michanglais said:

 

 

I've got a Xaiomi Redmi 10, which isn't even listed in the 'incompatible phones' list. 

 

 

Just because a phone is not on the incompatible list does not mean it is compatible, it just means that Hornby are not aware of issues. Possibly nobody has reported issues with that device and Hornby has not tested it themselves. Given the number of phones available or previously made, it is not possible for Hornby to test them all, so they will need users to report issues. Even if it is reported to Hornby they possibly will not be available to obtain an example of the phone anyway, either availability or cost.

According to the latest profile schedule on the Hornby site, the 37, 47, 67 and Turbomotive are all due in Q3, so they should all be appearing this month.

Is it Candy & Co Heathfield. 

1 hour ago, Johan DC said:

https://d63oxfkn1m8sf.cloudfront.net/4116/8448/6096/Available_Profiles_for_HM_DCC_25-4-2023.pdf

 

Here you go. W1 is for Q1 2024. 

Problem with this link is that it has a specific date included so it will probably cease working.p and is already out of date.

try the following on the Hornby.com site click on Shop and the HM7000. Then click on the Brochures and Guides icon.

this takes you to a page with all the manuals, guides, profiles list, compatibility and trouble shooting.

The profile schedule is the first entry of the profile list section. There are gaps in the profile list which seem to be reserved for future profiles included some not yet announced.

Hornby have sort of hidden the documentation etc for the HM7000, they have removed all the items from the support area of the website.

To access the manuals, compatibility info, etc you now need to go to the shop portion of the site and ten select HM7000 from the menu.

Searching the website for HM7000 finds the individual products but not the general stuff or the manuals etc.

R30219 are 21pin, 2 decoders required

Bachmann rebadged the LE1014E as a 36-550, so CV8 could be Lenz or Bachmann if Wellyboots identification is correct.

17 minutes ago, Hroth said:

A quickie...

 

Will the locos Hornby are advertising as being fitted with TXS sound controllers be pre-loaded with their sound suite, or will the lucky owner have to download and install the sound file themselves?

 

Apologies if this has been covered previously.

 

previous reports say they will have the correct sound for the model concerned

1 hour ago, peterm1 said:

Try a 100 Ω resistor across the motor output leads. This fools the decoder into thinking there's a motor.

If you go down that route make sure that the resistor is only installed when programming the decoder otherwise the resistor is likely to get hot during normal running.

You don’t need a motor, in a normal set only one power car has a motor. You normally need to program both power cars together at the same time as the dummy cannot respond to the programming. The motorised power car responds for the pair.

Programming them individually in another loco that does have a motor is one way to do it, however an easier way is to use a decoder tester, so that you do not have to disassemble the loco.

Given that you have connectivity from the wheels to the socket it would appear that the issue is somewhere from the socket to the decoder, but of course you have said that the decoder and sound works in the other loco.

Therefore I suggest that you double check the socket, use a meter in continuity mode. Do not use a blanking plug or connect a decoder. Check that power gets from the wheels individually on one side to one pin track on the socket, then test all the other wheels on the same side connect to the other track pin on the socket. Also check that power from each wheel does not appear on any other pin on the socket. One issue I believe is that the wheel sets can be the wrong way round so the the isolation on the axle is not on the same side as the pickup, this only occurs is the isolation is on the wheel hub rather than in the middle of the axle.

You cannot rely on reading the. Manufacturer from cv8 as part of the rebadging often  includes changing it to the model maker.

Bachmann have used lenz, soundtraxx, Esu, zimo which have all been badged as Bachmann

 Dapol imperium we’re lais  at least for the early ones, not sure about the latest, sound is either esu or zimo.

 Hornby non sound have mostly been Hornby own make, Anschluss Esu for sound, and then of course Hornby TTS and TXS

looking on the rtr makes site is generally a waste of time as suggested in the OP

Problem with giving them the same address is that you may have issues with lights, horns and sounds.

If they have the same number then the horns will play at both ends which is not prototypical. Starting the engine will start up both at the same time again not the normal action.

If you buy a matched pair of decoders then the horns will only sound of the front cab in the forward direction and add a delay between engine starts. The decoders in a matched pair should be labelled to distinguish which is the nominal front decoder and which is the rear one.

If you give the decoders separate numbers then you can manually sound the correct horns and start the engines at different times. You can consist the two decoders then you can control the train with one address, and it is possible to control some functions prototypically by setting cvs to enable function at one end only.

CV29 option allows you to reverse the direction at one end as previous mentioned and this should also show the correct lighting, but it generally will not make any difference for other functions E.g horns.

Ask the question in the DCC section.

But yes the TTS chips do support lights. They are all 8 pin so only support front/rear lights.

you will probably find that there is no PCB to wire them to or you need to run wires from the tender to the loco itself.

2 hours ago, K Hatton said:

Is anyone able to tell me what the differences between OO scale and TT scale sounds would be? I'm guessing the sound would be the same but the difference would be in the motor control/speed side of things? 

 

Just wondering as the TT A4 is showing as live whereas the 00 A4 is not. 

The is an issue with the PWM used to drive the motors, therefore the algorithm needs to be different, using the same modulation apparently causes buzzing from the motor.

The chuff rate is dependant on the speed of the motor and the gearing between it and the wheels. So different rates are required for the different scales.

Apparently there are different sound profiles for diesels as well as steam. There will probably be different sound profiles for all locos. See the profile schedule on the Hornby site which shows two profiles where locos are being made in both scales.

It has been stated that Hornby have submitted the Android version for release on the Play Store. They cannot issue fixes until that version gets released, therefore any fix must be pending. If updates were permitted while in the play store release cycle then it would be a moving target so the process would have to start again.

47 minutes ago, WIMorrison said:

The setup used by DCC Concepts Zen decoders for ABC is different from the setup used in the Lenz/ESU/Zimo standard and you couldn't use the setup for one on the layout with the other. 

 

But that does not answer the question, does it support the Lenz/esu setup.

if it supports both but just not on the same layout then Hornby have not gone their own way as suggested.

the docs mention Lenz but not DCC concepts!