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    Dapol GWR cattle wagon.

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    5 hours ago, The Johnster said:

    I believe it is in fact basically the old Hornby Dublo model which Dapol inherited from Wrenn, though they have retooled the chassis and fitted better buffers in the meantime.  Rails’ announcement is about a new production run; the use of the word ‘new’ by the marketing departments of some companies is not always as transparent as it could be… this is not in any sense a new model, and is really over 60 years old…

     

    Roof profile and wheelbase are visibly and obviously wrong, as they are on the Ale van that Dapol have developed from this model.   Personally, I’d avoid it, but it will be fine for many customers less concerned with accuracy than me!

     

    TTBOMK the only accurate 4mm RTR cattle van is the Hornby Southern Railway model.  The Oxford LNER cattle van is accurate except for the sides, which are mirror-image but should be handed, or the other way around, I forget which now but you only see one side at a time.  Both of Bachmanns’ fall into the generic chassis trap. 

    Looks like I’m waiting for a coopercraft kit to come back into production and/or rapido to take up the challenge. 
     

    Fingers crossed eBay gods are kind.

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    Dapol GWR cattle wagon.

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    I’m looking for more details on the new Dapol cattle wagon. In short Is this a new design and is this a plausible model? Got an email from rails of Sheffield and need a couple but want to get it right first time.

     

    https://railsofsheffield.com/products/cattle-wagon-gwr-13827?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=campaign&utm_campaign=Dapol June 2024 UK Produced Wagon Announcements&utm_id=01HW2M650STWH6AZKHG26VSNA4&_kx=j4x0pTACMVTgjQ5FrRxHF2ZqrbIv4cJ1KuAvSHixkh7daefIttArah6I30qtzgjP.RXkVMS

     

     

    Mainline 56xx rebuild advice.

    in GWR Rolling Stock: model and prototype

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    On 29/02/2024 at 01:10, DCB said:

    It seems to me while we are discussing small details there is  a small problem in that at a glance the Mainline 56XX doesn't look much like a 56XX   In particular the cab aperture is much smaller than it should be on a 56XX , More like a 1938 31XX cab than a 56XX as there is a large beam below the cab roof on the Mainline / Bachmann 56XX which is  rain strips are massively oversize, you can barely see them on many photographs of full size 56XX .
    One item missing from or greatly undersize on the Bachmann model is the tank brace (?) over the boiler at the leading edge of the tanks which many had vertical hand rails attached .   

    On the flip side I have two of these so a five minute makeover with a few files and a bit of sandpaper is on the agenda, filing out the cab aperture and filing down the cab angle irons where there should be rain strips will be the first steps.

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    I found some drawings and rescaled them. It would appear that the opening is the correct dimensions but sits low on the cab side. I'm thinking this is a "feature" I'm willing to turn a blind eye too.

    Mainline 56xx rebuild advice.

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    38 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said:

    Backheads?

     

    Try 247 Developments as they do them.

     

    BH6 Medium Belpaire

     

    http://www.247developments.co.uk/loco_detailing.html

     

    For other parts look at Alan Gibson, PDK, Brassmasters, etc.

     

     

    Jason

    You wouldn't happen to know if any of them are suitable for a Collett Goods? I know its a Boiler Standard No10 but no idea what sort of a backhead it would have?

    Mainline 56xx rebuild advice.

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    Posted · Edited by RCP

    4 hours ago, Barclay said:

    Looks like a good project. That small segment of boiler that shows forward of the tanks could perhaps be sawn off the chassis/weight block, and glued into place, with the gaps smoothed out with filler. Alternatively a piece of plasticard or brass can be shaped to the right size and installed.

     

    I was thinking dental mould and some milliput, I have a requirement for some dean goods sandboxes, splashers and toolboxs should the process work for the 655/2701 pannier project. I'm a little hesitant to try it on the functional models in case I end with dental mould stuck to my dean goods..

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    Mainline 56xx rebuild advice.

    in GWR Rolling Stock: model and prototype

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    4 hours ago, Barclay said:

    I have never used lead-free solder, and those who have don't seem to recommend it. However temperature wise I find that to solder effectively you need to go well over the melting point. For example working with 145 and 188 solder I always use 400 degrees. 300 just doesn't cut it. It will melt the solder but joints are much harder to make. I suppose the extra temp. helps bring the workpiece up to temperature that much more quickly.

     

     

    My approach has been turn to 11 and hope for the best. I acquired a 80w temperature controlled unit in the hope of injecting a little more science into my approach 😁

     

    Out of interest what sort op tips do you use for various joints, or is it one type for everything? 

    Mainline 56xx rebuild advice.

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    15 hours ago, The Johnster said:

    It was the 56xx that started the whole cab shutter thing; ex-Rhymney Railway drivers (who to be fair took engines to some pretty exposed locations) complained that the cabs were draughty compared to the Rhymney R class that these engines were to some extent based on and which they replaced.  If you've had to stand aroud in a crosswind at the top end of Cwmbargoed in the winter for any length of time, you'll understand.  The sliding shutter arrangement was Swindon's response, and ITIACIS was specified on the outsourced 66xx batches.  It became a standard feature on Swindon tank engines thereafter, mounted inside the cab on panniers, 48xx/58xx, 517s, and Metros.  This is much easier to model, bit of Plasticard inside the cab!

     

    This is interesting, I have  a copy of the RTCS 6 coupled GWR tanks and my reading of it was that they were fitted later, If the outsourced (I presume you mean Armstrong ones) came fitted by default then 6690 might be my best bet. Adding ATC rather than removing the sliding shutters seems much simpler...

     

    15 hours ago, The Johnster said:

    A weak point of this model that has unfortunately been perpetuated with the later Bachmann tooling.  The rain strips are overscale, and could be removed and replaced with a suitable gauge wire, and the distance between the bottom of the roof and the top of the cab cutout reveal is too great; in reality the cutout beading needs to nearly obscure the metal at the top of the cutout.  If you need to ditch the sliding cab shutters it's probably worth making up a new cab sidepiece.  Turned brass or lost-wax whistles would be an improvement worth the effort, as would glazing the cab windows, and drill out the whistle cord holes in the cab front.  A firebox backhead might be sourced from a Kitmaster prairie plastic kit.

     

    I'll keep my eye out for a backhead, I do have a mainly trains one for the 14xx spare but that probably isn't the right type. Can you explain what you mean by cab cutout reveal?

     

    I'll have a search for a suitable whistle. They both appear to be on one "tree".

    Mainline 56xx rebuild advice.

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    1 hour ago, Penrhos1920 said:

    For 1934 you’ll also need to look at the cab window shutters.  You can buy replacement buffers from Alan Gibson along with your handrail knobs and dart.


    acquired some handrail knobs and sprung buffers from wizard whilst got the dart from silvertay. I also have some pannier steps from silvertay which I’m wondering if they would be suitable as a replacement front step.

     

    I take that the cab window shutters weren’t fitted by that point? In which case it’ll be scalping time again. 

    Mainline 56xx rebuild advice.

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    So I’m looking for some guidance, Santa kindly brought a hilevelskit 56xx chassis and a Collett chassis, some coreless motors and I have previously acquired a set of Markits wheels for them both. The donor models are Mainline originals. I have a LocoBuilder box to ensure a properly square chassis. Which then brings us onto the models in question. Both are a bit dated so they are going to need some remedial works. This is my first chassis kit so any advice is gratefully received. I’ve got some DCC Concepts Sapphire No-Clean Flux, weller lead free solder and a 80w iron.

    The 56xx I’m aiming to replicate would be either 5689 or 6690 both based at Westbury in 1934, so Lot235 from Swindon or Lot255 from Armstrong. The pieces of work I’ve identified already are as follows:

    ·       The safety valve looks awful. It has a huge ridge in the modelling. Is it possible to modify or buy a replacement part for this?

    ·       Handrails will need cutting off and replacing.

    ·       Lamp irons

    ·       Roof looks rather thick or the rain stips do at least, I presume these should be filed down?

    ·       No step on the side tank fronts

    ·       Dart for smokebox needed

    ·       New buffers (Collett straight type I think)

    ·       Coal bunker didn’t have the indent originally so I guess this will need to be modified somehow, any ideas when these two would have had the modification done?

    ·       Suitable DCC sound decoder. I’m open to suggestions as I haven’t bought this yet.

    ·       Boiler underside will need rebuilding I think as it forms part of the split chassis

    ·       Boiler banding?? Is it possible to redo this sensibly or is that a bridge too far?

    ·       Front step handrail.

    ·       The front step looks the wrong scale to my eye. Any ideas where I could find the correct dimensions for this?

    ·       Any thoughts on plunger pickups vs the alternatives.

    What have I missed? I’ve included some pictures of the model in question.

    I understand that the inside motion was changed on these but I think the two I’m looking at would have had the correct modifications that came with the etch.

    Any tips on what temperature I should set the Iron too would be helpful as well. 280deg C?

     

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    Choosing a Soldering Iron?

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    Posted · Edited by RCP

    Sorry to dig this thread up again. I’m looking for some advice. I’m looking to replace my Weller 40w with something with a bit more grunt. The usage case will be 4mm chassis primarily, that and general electronics. My first thought was the Atten 80w digital but I can’t find a supplier for the T2080-K tips, in fact tips in general seem to be quite limiting. The alternative I was considering was the ERSA icon pico, which I know I can get tips for. Has anyone got any experience with this unit and know if it would be suitable?

    57xx Pannier Tank Family, By Accurascale

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    Many thanks for the reply's @PMP @Captain Kernow @Miss Prism , based off this I guess 6743 is the one for me and I should then add some steam/ vacuum pipes and screw link couplings to it as the alternative is adding rivet detail, a bridge too far for my skills currently. Is there any other things that differentiated the 67xx from the 57xx that I've missed?

     

    https://www.accurascale.com/collections/gwr-57xx-67xx-8750-pannier-tank/products/6700-class-6743-great-western-green

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