Chris Bowden

Could anybody please advise me where I might find an outline diagram for great central coach diagrams 5G4 and 5M2 or any other info on these two?

many thanks Chris Bowden

Could anybody please advise me where I might find an outline diagram for great central coach diagrams 5G4 and 5M2 or any other info on these two?

many thanks Chris Bowden

Recent pictures on RMB of Great Central Kitchen cars has inspired me to build one of the later survivors in 4mm. Although etched sides are available they relate to the condition of 5M2 prior to conversion from Restaurant Cars in 1935. Similarly Hugh Longworths book also has a diagram of the earlier condition and refers also to 5G4 for which I find no diagram picture.

Does 5G4 refer to the post 1935 diagram and if so where could I find a drawing?

Recent pictures on RMB of Great Central Kitchen cars has inspired me to build one of the later survivors in 4mm. Although etched sides are available they relate to the condition of 5M2 prior to conversion from Restaurant Cars in 1935. Similarly Hugh Longworths book also has a diagram of the earlier condition and refers also to 5G4 for which I find no diagram picture.

Does 5G4 refer to the post 1935 diagram and if so where could I find a drawing?

On 20/06/2019 at 09:17, Chris Bowden said:

Thanks for your reply, I appreciate your comments. No, I am not a dealer nor rich enough to pay the silly prices being asked. I am a newbe to coach building so look to learn before making expensive mistakes. I think I may have shot myself in the foot by contacting so many bookseller to express an interest in this book therby helping to maintain the ridiculous price. I am not interested in the condition even a poor copy which is readable will suffice.

regards Chris

On 19/06/2019 at 21:45, beast66606 said:

I have a copy of said book in mint condition (although the cover has faded slightly after sitting on shelves for many years), it's hardly even been looked at - bought for a project which never happened. The difficulty is the price, it seems to command a high price on the second hand market  so I'm not going to let it go too cheaply, sorry, I don't know you and you may be a dealer who then makes a good profit from my goodwill - don't take it personally, I'm letting you know up front that I won't be "giving it away".

 

I won't be upset if you want to wait for a cheap copy but PM me if interested.

the 4mm Coach by Stephen Williams Part 2 (Wild Swan 20000 ISBN 9781874103615)

I have been searching for months for this book on the internet worldwide as well as all the usual sources. Even those few libraries that have a copy of Part 2 refuse to lend it.

Any suggestions?

Chris Bowden

On 19/06/2019 at 21:45, beast66606 said:

I have a copy of said book in mint condition (although the cover has faded slightly after sitting on shelves for many years), it's hardly even been looked at - bought for a project which never happened. The difficulty is the price, it seems to command a high price on the second hand market  so I'm not going to let it go too cheaply, sorry, I don't know you and you may be a dealer who then makes a good profit from my goodwill - don't take it personally, I'm letting you know up front that I won't be "giving it away".

 

I won't be upset if you want to wait for a cheap copy but PM me if interested. 

the 4mm Coach by Stephen Williams Part 2 (Wild Swan 20000 ISBN 9781874103615)

I have been searching for months for this book on the internet worldwide as well as all the usual sources. Even those few libraries that have a copy of Part 2 refuse to lend it.

Any suggestions?

Chris Bowden

the 4mm Coach by Stephen Williams Part 2 (Wild Swan 20000 ISBN 9781874103615)

I have been searching for months for this book on the internet worldwide as well as all the usual sources. Even those few libraries that have a copy of Part 2 refuse to lend it.

Any suggestions?

Chris Bowden

Hi Jason looks like there was no part three but if you know of a part 2 for sale (or even on loan) please email me christopher.bowden@mypostoffice.co.uk.

the 4mm Coach by Stephen Williams Part 2 (Wild Swan 20000 ISBN 9781874103615)

I have been searching for months for this book on the internet worldwide as well as all the usual sources. Even those few libraries that have a copy of Part 2 refuse to lend it.

Any suggestions?

Chris Bowden

On 20/06/2019 at 16:30, Steamport Southport said:

Unless you are desperate I would keep looking. I've seen dozens of copies over the last year or two for less than £20.

 

The reason I've been looking was I was after Part Three which I only recently found out was never released.

 

 

 

Jason

On 12/07/2019 at 20:00, rue_d_etropal said:

does anyone know where there are drawings of that clerestory. Nice end shot of the PP coach.

The Model Railway Constructor has drawings of the 50ft Great central Clerestory Coaches in issue  April 1969.

hope this helps, Chris Bowden

On 12/07/2019 at 22:35, 65179 said:

 

There was an article including plans of the baggage composite in Model Railway Constructor. The article was "GCR 50ft clerestory coaches" by W A Richards. I don't know what the issue number was unfortunately.

 

Simon

On 12/07/2019 at 20:00, rue_d_etropal said:

does anyone know where there are drawings of that clerestory. Nice end shot of the PP coach.

On 12/07/2019 at 22:35, 65179 said:

 

There was an article including plans of the baggage composite in Model Railway Constructor. The article was "GCR 50ft clerestory coaches" by W A Richards. I don't know what the issue number was unfortunately.

 

Simon

Yes I recall the MRC issue with the centre pages "the Plans Page" for the GCR 50ft Clerestory Coach but cannot find my copy.....However of related interest see Railway Modeller November 1968. The diagram is 3K1 with a drawing in "British Railways Pre-Nalisation Coaching Stock Vol. 1. Also see 

British Railway Journal - No. 32 Summer 1990 - Wild Swan Publications

hope this helps.

Chris

The Model Railway Constructor has drawings of the 50ft Great central Clerestory Coaches in issue  April 1969.

hope this helps, Chris Bowden

22 hours ago, billbedford said:

The push-pull gear for these coaches was vacuum operated, so the only external evidence was an extra swan-necked vacuum pipe between the coaches.

 

 

Thanks for your posting Bill. Looking again at the photo I posted, there does appear to be some sort of trunking along the uppermost length  on both coaches. regards Chris

Hi, thanks for your posting. Is it possible to give a little more details of which  CAM Camwell DVD contails this cliip and where I might bu a copy. Thanks Chris

21 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said:

Last night I watched one of the CAM Camwell DVDs which featured a clip of a C13 with a set like this on an SLS railtour of the CLC in the mid fifties. 

I have white metal C13 bought off eBay stashed away so BB's sides might be useful

 

Regards

Thanks again to Simon and Alastair. I am settled now on d 3K1 to form set with E51904. Have you any ideas as to where I might find a roof top diagram for both so I can see the arrangement of the push pull gear.?

Thanks to Simon and Alastair. I agree that the Clerestory in the picture is Dia 3K1. and Bill Bedford will get an order shortly in 4mm and hopefully he will have the driving trailer also.

the caption in Scenes from the past is misleading as it quotes the number and dia of a non Clerestory vehicle which was later the companion to E51904E previous to which the Clerstory D 3k1 was as per picture 

I guess that the photo with the Clerstory would have been about 1954 as the legend on the trailer states Manchester London Road., probably displaced from the Glossop Hadfied service after electrification?

Can anyone help identify the Clerestory Coach in this push pull formation seen on the Oldham Ashton and Guide Bridge in 1954? 

Chris Bowden

Chris Parrish recently died, his widow Heather is selling the remnants of stock for £6000,00. Contact her via the North Yorkshire Moors Railway.

11 hours ago, beast66606 said:

I have a copy of said book in mint condition (although the cover has faded slightly after sitting on shelves for many years), it's hardly even been looked at - bought for a project which never happened. The difficulty is the price, it seems to command a high price on the second hand market  so I'm not going to let it go too cheaply, sorry, I don't know you and you may be a dealer who then makes a good profit from my goodwill - don't take it personally, I'm letting you know up front that I won't be "giving it away".

 

I won't be upset if you want to wait for a cheap copy but PM me if interested.

Thanks for your reply, I appreciate your comments. No, I am not a dealer nor rich enough to pay the silly prices being asked. I am a newbe to coach building so look to learn before making expensive mistakes. I think I may have shot myself in the foot by contacting so many bookseller to express an interest in this book therby helping to maintain the ridiculous price. I am not interested in the condition even a poor copy which is readable will suffice.

regards Chris

Thanks for the suggestions; Kidderminster Railway Museum no longer operate bookselling or even reply to enquiries. I have tried all the other suggestions and the going price seems to start at £75.!

Chris

On 11/06/2019 at 15:14, Steamport Southport said:

You have to be persistent and look at places like Amazon, eBay, Book Depository and railway book sellers.

 

They do come up and are normally priced about £15. Don't pay over the odds.

 

Try Kidderminster Railway Museum.

 

http://www.krm.org.uk/wildswan.htm

 

 

 

Jason

Hi, thanks for your quick reply. I did contact  Dave Ellis at SEF on this subject several weeks ago in the hope thay may still have one of the optional extras for sale. Unfortunatly I got no reply.  So itis back the the scratchbuilding option. Or the 3D print options, but wont I regquire a scale drawing?

I am trying to complete a Nu Cast C13 loco kit by the addition of the Push Pull device attached to left had smoke box. It use to be part of an optional extra for the kit but as the kit itself no longer available. There does not appear to be any source currently available so I may have to scratch build one from  a drawing. Can anybody help with advice. Photo attached.

Hi Has anybody got a copy of this book for sale?   regards Chris Bowden

 The 4mm Coach – Part 2 Working with Metal Kits. By Stephen Williams. ISBN 1 874103 61 5. This second volume is structured to follow the broad layout of Part 1. The book also looks at bogie compensation and springing systems and working corridor connections. £12.95