Ollie K

Ooh, what’s that I spy on Hornby’s Warley stand? First time we’ve seen a full Coronation set formed up?

As seen in Hornby’s latest Instagram story. Can’t get to Warley this weekend so if anyone can get some better pictures and details on the couplings, ping them on here! Looks like there’s an ideal 2nd radius test track local 😂

The drip feed of info continues here:

https://uk.Hornby.com/community/blog-and-news/engine-shed/coronation-coached-intricate-parts

9 hours ago, daltonparva said:

Just ordered an LMS red one from Hattons Black Friday sale, £144 + £3.75 postage. Next job is get a decoder reblown, any votes for the best sound?

I’m staggered the Turbomotive was so heavily discounted by Hattons. When they slashed prices of models like the Hornby A2/2, A2/3, Heljan O2 and their own O Gauge A3s and A4s it wasn’t a huge shock: large ranges of slow selling models with umpteen build quality woes. But the Turbomotive only exists in two variants, has only recently been released, and to rave reviews all round. 
 

Fair play to anyone who was quick enough to grab one!

There’s a brief mention of the Coronation stock in Hornby’s latest livestream.

Currently at the factory feedback stage. Next will be ‘running’ samples, then decorated samples. 

Interesting to hear about the chrome effect they’re going for and how much work has been going into the articulation mechanisms, inter-carriage screening and running characteristics. Sounded like it’s been trickier than was portrayed in the ‘Model World’ TV show. 

In shops by summer seems optimistic given no proper samples yet. Either way, if Hornby is taking its time to make sure these are done ‘right’ (correct pre-war doors, no visible capacitors, innovative couplings) it’s a positive. 

Wonder if the decorates samples will show printed or raised lettering? My money’s on the former, but we live in hope…

2 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

In this respect, it's absurd. When hauling a train going forwards, no lamp would be carried on the tender's rear; if running light engine forwards, a red lamp would be displayed, but above either buffer; if running light engine in reverse, a white light would be displayed, but just above the coupling hook. As mentioned, I doubt if any train were ever hauled by 'Turbomotive' in reverse. 

 

Morning Tony,

A while ago someone posted this image in the Turbomotive's thread. I was surprised it didn't generate more conversation as it appears to show exactly that: 6202 hauling a long train in reverse, with a Class D lamp code on the tender rear. It doesn't appear to be banking another loco. The crew member just visible in the cab appears to be facing towards the camera. Anyone the wiser what's going on here?

( Image source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmightycat/49596730417/ )

Completely agree with your sentiments on the otherwise fine-looking model being spoiled by a deliberately erroneous 'feature'. Even more curious when you note the model itself isn't marred with a front coupling pocket to allow it to tow RTR stock tender-first, and that Hornby's own marketing literature notes "the smaller reversed turbine did not have enough power and was not strong enough to reverse if the locomotive was connected to a heavy rake of coaches. Due to this, the ‘Turbomotive’ always had to be facing forward when hauling passenger trains."

https://uk.Hornby.com/community/blog-and-news/engine-shed/turbomotive-stanier-success

I reckon this has been in the offing for a while: the unrebuilt W1s were supplied with overscale lamps fixed into either express passenger or (also weirdly) royal train headcodes. The upcoming Black 5 is also causing consternation over the same feature, albeit with brightly lit lamps this time.

Cheers,

Ollie

3 hours ago, Phil Brighton said:

Thanks, that's very kind. 

Looks like current market means moving soon isn't likely so on the plus side unlike the plans in the article it isn't being dismantled yet.

Your inconvenience notwithstanding, pleased to hear it. Since so many of the photos on this thread were lost when RMweb broke down, would be great if Railway Modeller could send you any unused ones from the photoshoot. I work for a car magazine and we always send owners who’ve lent us their pride and joy the professional shots of their cars as a memento.

Cheers,

Ollie

Between the front frame plates behind the mesh, the Turbomotive housed a radiator for cooling the turbine oil. Hinging the flap meant it could be positioned open when the locomotive was running to promote optimal airflow, while closing it when stationary allowed the smokebox door to be opened and provided a platform for the crew to stand on during servicing. 

Think of it as the opposite to a car's bonnet: left open when on the road, and closed during maintenance. 

Congratulations Phil. I don’t normally buy RM but picked up a copy today entirely on the strength of the cover image and throughly enjoyed the depiction of Potters Bar. Would’ve been happy to see it get twice the number of pages - truly inspirational.

There's an interesting image here of the V-fronted cab mock-up. Here's it's captioned as a film prop, but I've also seen it described as a training aid / opinion canvasser for loco crews.

https://www.a1steam.com/educational-resources/prince-of-wales/history-of-the-gresley-class-p2s

Can someone put me out of my misery? I've searched for a 'looking upwards' black and white photo depicting a late-crest A4 heading southbound under the M&GN girder bridge at real-life Little Bytham, hauling a goods train.

Would be a perfect photo to replicate on the model, but I've been through a load of books in my lunch hour and scoured the web but can't find it anywhere...

46 minutes ago, Darius43 said:

 Other niggles:-

- The supplied screw link coupling hook is too large to fit in to the hole for it at the front of the loco.  Fortunately the screw link couplings that Hornby sells separately fit fine.

- Placing the driver and fireman in their seats is like putting a ship in a bottle.  Got there in the end.

Agreed - great that the detail pack is comprehensive, but a bit of an own goal that the couplings don’t fit. One of the supplies three-links was broken in mine so hopefully that’ll be replaced along with the missing guard irons - I’ve contacted Hornby and they should be posted soon.
 

I got the intact couplings in eventually with some careful trial and error filing of the ‘stem’.

A removable cab roof, or perhaps detachable cab seats, would make fitting the crew less of a pain. 

Interesting thread. 
 

As a fully paid up LNER Pacific fan(atic) the loco I’d most like to see is… a C12 4-4-2T (GNR C2)!

Operated out of KGX on suburban services, as various main line station pilots (KGX, Peterborough, Grantham etc) then on branches in Lincs and Yorks until the late Fifties. 
 

Sadly with none preserved to scan, no ‘namers’ and only one livery that isn’t basically black (beautiful GNR green) my expectations are well and truly managed, but wholeheartedly agree that there’s more to life - even for an ECML modeller- than the big glamour locos.
 

(Wikipedia Commons image)

50 minutes ago, Woodcock29 said:

Has anyone else compared the platework on the front of the smokebox of the streamlined version with Prototype photos? The recent closeup photos to show the hole reminded of this matter. The smaller section of platework above the opening 'cods mouth' shouldn't be there. The 'mouth' should actually go higher up. Hornby appear to have copied the platework, although the size is slightly different, from that of an A4.

At first I thought so too, but after looking at a lot of photographs first of A4s (and noting how the small rectangular panel just below the chimney appears and disappears from photos to photo depending on ambient light, film quality and weathering) I think Hornby has actually got this correct on the Bugatti nose P2.

Here’s the best view I’ve found so far. A Hepburn shot of 2003 at Kirkcaldy in 1936 from The Gresley Observer. 
 

In almost all angles in this image compendium the panel is as good as invisible, but it’s also glimpsed here.

So perhaps the model makes it more prominent, but for my money, it’s correct. 

Ollie

Some initial impressions having received my P2s. So far, very pleased. Unable to run them beyond the rolling road because the layout is in disarray ahead of moving house.

•    The packaging works. Three models, zero bent/broken details or scuffed paintwork that I can see. The way it ought to be, but credit Hornby post-W1 debacle for recognising their existing packaging was no longer fit for purpose. 

•    Diecast running plate of nos 2002/07 makes an appreciable difference to the sense of quality when the loco is lifted from the box and placed on track. Haven’t gone to the bother of weighing each to see the difference and the all-plastic 2003 is surely plenty over-endowed with haulage capacity for the majority of layouts, but makes for an interesting comparison. 

•    Credit for the running plate join between the differing front ends. Worried me when I first saw the CAD but at anything other than close-up it’s pretty imperceptible. 

•    Guard irons /have/ been included for 2002/07. Missing from 2003’s detail pack. 

•    The ugly NEM pocket is easy to remove from the pony truck: lever it up with a small flat-bladed screwdriver and it lifts free (easier if the pony truck is unscrewed first). Nice not to have to take the Xurons to a fresh model to snip away the coupling housing when it’s not required. More of this please (Bachmann).

•    If any of your LNER Pacifics need a tender scoop, there’s one underneath 2007 that ought not to be there.

•    Wishful thinking? The builder’s plate reads ‘2023’, not that my phone is able to take a sharp shot that close. If Fox / 247 do a set of plates I’ll update that when the real 2007 is completed, adding the extra pipework and warning flashes it’ll doubtless have to carry. Will probably stop short of painting hi-vis waistcoats onto the included crew…

There’s a review of 2007 in the new issue of Hornby mag. It states the next set of models in the run will feature 2002’s extra deflectors plus further locos with the Bugatti nose. Etched nameplates are in the detail bag. 

1 hour ago, JamieR4489 said:

I think that's unlikely as the original deflectors were shortened when the second pair were fitted.

Now you say that, I remember reading as much somewhere. Cheers Jamie.

9 hours ago, AdamOrmorod said:

Another one here a little disappointed about the lack of smoke deflectors on 2002, think I'll hold off in the hope there's a future release with them.

 

I noticed 2002 has separately fitted nameplates while the other two do not, hopefully they all have them included in the detail bag.

3 hours ago, Hilux5972 said:

Hornby have previously confirmed that 2002 WILL have the separate smoke deflectors. 

Looking again at the samples, I wonder if the large separate deflectors for 2002 will be in the detail pack for customer to fit.

The models pictured don’t have a front steps, screw link front coupling, drain cocks, loco brake rigging or a cab crew fitted - items usually in the Hornby accessory packs. So I hope we’re going to get a best of both worlds solution that will allow the buyer to choose whether or not to fit the deflectors.

At this price point and given the extent of other manufacturer detail packs (featuring lamps, etched nameplates etc) I don’t think that’s a massive ask… 

Glad to see the physical models at last, but disappointing the larger 2002 deflectors have apparently been omitted despite being present on the earlier CAD and previously confirmed to another poster on here that they would be fitted. Would be good to see Hornby provide updates on details like this in The Engine Shed blog.

17 minutes ago, Ian Hargrave said:

Thanks for that.I’m assuming that it will be the same plug in system used in the new release Dublo A4’s.Thus the “fix” for the first release 9F’s isn’t going to happen .Disappointing as IMHO the gap downgrades the model. At least the Bachmann version,crude though it undoubtedly is,can be shortened to a more realistic distance. I’m not indulging in surgery to shorten the Hornby bar.

Perhaps try one of these?

No personal connection, just a satisfied customer. 

https://westhillwagonworks.com/locomotive-parts/42-loco-tender-drawbars-for-Hornby-9f-2022-release-only-pack-of-3.html

4 hours ago, landscapes said:

Hi Ollie

 

They are different books, I have just sold those two plus a third Tim Shackleton book on weathering rolling stock only a few weeks ago.

 

 They are both well worth getting if you want to do your own weathering.

 

Regards

 

David

Cheers David, it was thanks to you I became aware of them. Will look to get both.

Ollie

Hi all, haven't been able to find a clear answer for this anywhere online so hopefully someone here can help.

Tim Shackleton has produced two books titled Aspects of Modelling: Locomotive Weathering Projects. This one, with the Deltic on the cover, was published in 2011:

In 2015, this version arrived with a new cover:

Can anyone (perhaps weathering gods @landscapes or @Timara ) confirm if the books are in any way different, with new or updated content inside? Or was it simply a new cover?

Thanks in anticipation...

While Sir is away, here’s a shoddy cameraphone video from the 1:1 scale Little Bytham yesterday. 60103 passes on its ‘Centenary Weekender’ special, running about 45mins late with the diesel on the back working hard to help reduce the arrears.

Plenty of friendly people on the bridge - the usual Stoke Bank vantage points were all pleasingly busy. 

Now in production in China, and a finished sample should be ready to look at this time next month. So hopefully on for delivery this summer, as promised...

https://uk.Hornby.com/community/blog-and-news/engine-shed/all-aboard-br-standard-class-2mt-loco

On 18/05/2023 at 22:55, Jesse Sim said:

A fuel tanker I finished off last night for a customer. 

Just been weathering a similar wagon using the Tamiya panel line wash. For the heavier staining here do you brush paint it on directly in enamels? Looks very effective!