MrJack47790

Hello,

I am looking to model a small layout with Rhostryfan station in 009

I have got a small board and a gaugemaster shuttle unit to power the train continuously up and down through the station/scenic section.

I have currently got a fourdees Beddgelert , a ashbury summer coach and will be getting soon some slate wagons which will be mostly what will be used with Beddgelert as the train goes back and forth.

Period will be around 1897-1906.

However, i could do with knowing a few things before i get started.

1) What was the track like at that period, should i go for 'mainline' or 'worn/crazy'?

2) What was the station like roughly, was it similar to any other designs of stations on the NWNGR?

3) What was the rough layout of everything and a general track plan?

Many Thanks, Jack

7 hours ago, WestRail642fan said:

i'm going to assume that the two coach packs you need to get to 14 coach lengths will be in a box like the Eurostar coaches?

i'm guessing it will be like how the Beatles Eurostar was done for booth the coach packs and the main sets, with plastic inserts. If so the box art will be gorgeous especially on the coach packs.

46 minutes ago, oleander said:

Hi 
In a post there was a Photo showing interior lighting. I am guessing for DCC we will need a Function decoder  in each DTS and a Drive or sound  decoder in the NDM. 

For controling the lights in the TS, TRBS,TU,TF. Would it be a Function decoder in each Coach or each pair of coaches ?

When i pre ordered and got it dcc fitted they asked Hornby-It will be a decoder for each DTS to control the headlights and a decoder for every motored NDM-also where the sound will go in.

Hope that helps.

6 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said:

The pre-production painted samples look good.

Does anyone have an authentic layout to run them on?

I totally agree they do look very good.

I'm currently creating a section of the WCML platforms at Motherwell in the winter of 1981 to go with my APT.

It's the section to the south,towards London.

2 hours ago, CB Rail said:

The next question I guess, will be when will these become available?

Hornby say summer 2021-some stores are a bit more specific and say July 2021.

Just to add to this to give a little hope.

Hornby put the coronation scot coaches as winter 2021-22 despite previously saying spring 2021.

and later it was changed back to spring 2021 in a matter of of days, And now the coronation scot coaches have arrived on time at spring 2021.

I think it could just be a small glitch.

Thanks Jack

10 hours ago, Denbridge said:

Erm, these remained the propery of Woking homes. From there they were in store at the Great Cockcrow Railway. They were certainly there about 6 years ago when i was shown them stored in a container.

Thank you for this information.

Jack

vale gear and boiler comparison

1 hour ago, Jeremy C said:

but its fairly obvious Southern appearance, does suggest an origin closer to Eastleigh than Hounslow (where Greenly was based).

Very easy to say with them smoke deflectors what i do believe were added to give it that southern style.

there are 3 main pointers what tell me the link to RHDR locos in my eye.

1)The boiler

Look at it, a circular, parallel style with that firebox, a design straight of an LNER A1 or RHDR loco.

2)the smokebox dart

I know it's a very simple matter but very few of this style are seen but an appearance was made on the RHDR locos in the early days-see pictures below.

3)the vale gear

Just look-It's almost identical in positions.

smokebox dart comparion.

8 minutes ago, BernardTPM said:

however the Greenly conection does offer the likely reason; a case of parallel development rather than copying.

An intresting and the most like idea.

Going of this does anyone know anymore on the exact origins of the loco?

Thanks Jack

2 minutes ago, Nearholmer said:

I suspect that the loco was built to a set of standard model engineering plans possibly by Greenly, themselves inspired by a GNR A1, but "southernised" in detail by the builder. If so, that would explain the resemblance to the RHDR locos, which were designed by Greenly, inspired by the GNR A1.

Thats what i have been thinking.

Thanks for the advice.

Jack

2 minutes ago, BernardTPM said:

Given the Pacific is shown on film in 1926 and the RH&DR didn't open until 1927, that doesn't seem likely. I'd say it looks rather like a larger boilered, Pacific variant of a 'King Arthur'.

Thank you for this information on the date the railway.

you are right but also wrong RHDR as southern maid was built in 1926 and green goddess was built in 1925 so the railway could have easily taken and shrunk the plans by that point.

Jack.

1 hour ago, Jeremy C said:

I've just found a forum post elsewhere about this railway:

https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/southern-miniature-railway.1418719/

 

6" gauge, apparently (I had thought it looked a little small for 7¼", but it looked too big for 5").

Yes thats the best i think i'll get-from the son of an ex owner.

Thanks Jack

47 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

Something's not working here - we've got duplicate posts about Woking !

No i was recommend doing a new one this time specificlly with the words working in to appeal to others who may just glance other and there has been a few alterations.

@ejstubbs

oh thanks thats best break through i've had today.

Can't thank you enough.

Jack

Thank you i have added some more of my theory's onto the new forum .

Please have a look,considering u have seen please could you maybe have some guesses on my questions.

Theres the new forum please do anything you can do to help.

Thanks Jack

Hello

I have been admiring this little miniture railway what was on Hove's esplanade in the pre-war era called under two names the southern miniture railway and western lawn miniture railway.  

It also had connections to a orphanage in working for children who lost their fathers working on the railway and also i believed toured around the south of England.

I have learnt a lot on the line but the are two subjects i can't answer.

I believe the engine in question what i specifically what to know about(pacific)is a based upon Romney Hythe and Dymchurch railway's southern maid but with smoke deflectors, please have a look and see what you think and give me you opinion,a second pair of eyes will really help me and will be greatly appreciated.

I really would like to know more on the engine so any information on it will be very much appreciated.

Here is the link to a short video of the line with the spare engine Drummond in action but will still show the track.

https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-miniature-railway-1926-online

My other question is what gauge it is it?

Please if you do know comment.

Also if u have experience with the various miniture railway gauges please could you make a guess by looking at the size of the people to track.

I believe it could be either 5 or 7 1/4 (more of me thinks 5.), however this is only going from my very limited knowledge of miniture railways and comparison of todays miniture railway,I think it's 5 as judging by the size of a man he sits just over each sides but on Romney 2 men fit in between the sides so thats why i guess 5 inch as like before  a second pair of eyes would help greatly

Final thing is if anyone has any information, details of place where i could get information or books to buy please comment it all anything will be greatly appreciated as is so often with old miniture railways little can be found out about them.

Thanks Jack

Hello

I have been admiring this little miniture railway what was on Hove's esplanade in the pre-war era called under two names the   

I have learnt a lot on the line but one question i can't answer.

Here is the link to a short video of the line.

https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-miniature-railway-1926-online

My question is what gauge it is it?

Please if you do know comment.

Also if u have experience with the various miniture railway gauges please could you make a guess by looking at the size of the people to track.

I believe it could be either 5 or 7 1/4 (more of me thinks 5.), however this is only going from my very limited knowledge of miniture railways and comparison of todays miniture railway.

Anything will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Jack

These may be able to help you-

https://www.electrarail.co.uk/triang--Hornby-mark-2a-coach-2442-p.asp

If you look down in the livery options box there are the two DRS MOD barrier coaches, these are vinyls designed to go on to the old triang/Hornby railways mk2s.

Hope this can help you.

I could suggest you have a look at model rails miniature railway article-it's in two parts in issues 223 and 224 from july and august 2016.

also below is some heywood trackplans

https://lone.net/trains/carendt.morphoist.com/microplans/pages/real/narrow/index.html

Hope this helps Jack.

10 hours ago, brack said:

The sutton miniature railway booklet has drawings of mighty atom in it (class 10).

Thanks for the information however mighty atom i know currently has a different style of tender to prince edward of wales and little giant so may differ.

Jack

On 26/06/2020 at 23:59, Dava said:

 

I have an RER book with a side & plan drawings of Sans Pareil 4-4-2 at 16.4mm scale! But can be resized digitally by trial & error.  Also some of the larger locos, from the era so accurate. PM me.

 

ELenora Steel's book on Henry Greenly has a drawing, also a Fairbourne book but I don't have either.

 

Dava 

 

 

 

Hi i have always wanted to build an 09 basset lowke class 10 either little giant as she is today or Rhyls prince Edward of wales booth as per toady-i don't suppose you have any advice,drawings and tips on making one -anything will be greatly appreciated, Jack.

On 26/06/2020 at 19:58, Jason Pape said:

I would definitely be interested in a Katie but Effie would be amazing!! Do N-drive productions still make their kits? 

I contacted them six mouths ago to enquire on katie-never asked about effie. i may suggest you contact them via the email on their website they will get back to you with a definitive answer. Also if you like haywood may i suggest a a look at minim gauge model who make some haywood coaches and heywood styled wagons. a combination of heywood locos from n drive and heywood rolling stock would give a good start  on an 09 estate railway,also if modern day you could look at something like eaton halls shunter converted from narrow gauge,also you seem to be particularly based around the ravenglass and eskdale minimum gauge models do basset lowke coaches what i believe use to run on lal rattey and would go welll with any basset lowke engine,also on this note there are some 3d printed ravenglass 09 stuff and for ravenglass stuff try avalon models-i unfortunatly can't say much on their information but i would reccomend serching around

https://www.n-driveproductions.com/contactus.htm

http://www.mgmodels.co.uk/store/c37/09.html

https://www.shapeways.com/product/KKVRSQMWN/o9-r-er-quot-lady-wakefield-quot-body-kit?li=marketplace&optionId=61108327

https://www.shapeways.com/product/STDHBGMJQ/r-er-icl-no-1-bunny?optionId=65730546&li=marketplace

https://www.shapeways.com/product/RTD7958NB/r-er-arthur-heywood-ella-shelagh-or-ursula?optionId=65730258&li=marketplace

https://www.shapeways.com/product/4KS6QVLJE/r-er-quot-river-mite-quot-o9-2-8-2-body?li=marketplace&optionId=63751465

https://www.shapeways.com/product/AATEYCHY7/r-er-quot-river-irt-quot-o9-0-8-2-body?optionId=63751463&li=shops

https://www.shapeways.com/product/PDA3UME3A/r-er-quot-river-esk-quot-o9-2-8-2-body?optionId=56023543&li=shops

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/keeneye?section=1%3A24+Scale+Models&s=0

Hope this helps you-Jack.

On 02/06/2020 at 18:47, russ p said:

 

As Simon says ETS is needed if it is to be driven from the saloon. 

Its had a 47 on it a few times with an adaptor jumper 

I know my love 47790 ran with caroline and so thats what i mostly will run with mine if i get one.Also a ROG 47 ran with it and 47818.

On 02/06/2020 at 19:31, SouthernMafia said:

 

I note pre-orders at the cheaper price are until the end of July

Just checked revolutions website and it says 31/8/2020.

On 26/05/2020 at 21:53, TomScrut said:

Well I will almost certainly be biting, just depends a bit on a loco to pull it with. I was surprised at the £135/£149 price tag but thinking about it if it is as detailed and as featured as a high spec loco minus a powertrain then you could argue it's fair. Especially given its bespoke tooling.

 

And that £135 gets you a legitimate prototypical rake to pull too.

 

As far as the RTR 37s go, which ones pull it on a regular basis? I see 558 does, 419 has in the past but haven't seen a pic in current livery.

 

My dilemma is it's not really just £135 if I don't have a loco that pulls it!

 

I have 2 Colas ones (025 and 099) which I don't think will ever go near it, and 97301 and 37608 on pre order.

 

I am thinking of a 37/4 too, probably 419 or 425 so hoping some pics appear of either working with it in latest liveries.

A picture of 37025 in BR large logo with caroline.

https://twitter.com/Tomahawk_Photos/status/852071233688653825/photo/1