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"I have toned down the red inside motion with Vallejo 'oil and grease', which looks much better, 'Haig' will get the same treatment!" Dioes anyone know where one can acquire this "grease and oil" paint in the UK?

Just ask for the ROD letters I got them to do for me. Someone else already did and they came to me and asked my permission to let him have a set. Just do the same. I told them that anyone could have them as they come from a published font. Here's the email I sewnt John Peck KENNETH CLARK <kennclark@btinternet.com> To:john.r.peck@precisiondecals.com 29 Jun 2018 at 14:35 I was given your email address as a firm able to print white transfers. I'm attempting a ROD cameo layout in 4mm after reading both of Wm Aves excellent books on the ROD railways of WW1. The lettering on their locos was very simple and I attach a file below showing what a transfer/decal would be required to allow anyone to letter/number a single loco. This would allow the letters and numbers to be cut out and placed in position depending on the length of the relevant tender. The typeface is 28 point Arial (using l as 1) and is white. Maybe they could be a little more separate but I don't know how to do this. I did the image in PAINT but it can easily be done in WORD. I would want a sheet of these to match your minimum cost (£10/£15?)in a white strong enough to be put on black tenders. Can you come back to me on this giving me an idea of how many would be printed on such a sheet (I know a few other people interested in these so I would like to know how many could be got for what price. Obviously if you need the "artwork"(sic) in any other way I would try to provide it. But remember I am an elderly computer illiterate! Kenneth Clark Aberdeen

Precision Labels (see modelling press) did an excellent job of making me sets of ROD numbers and letters for my J15. And a speedy service too!

Here's my take on the ROD Baldwin using a Bachman USA loco.

Is the cabside numberplate(?) printed on or is it a raised moulding?

I haven't seen the LNER J36 yet but I expect the numberplate to be a raised moulding but I dont know if it is a separate piece glued on although I think this is likely as there are other versions of the loco with only a printed number. Mind you. lookinmg again at an enlarged photo of the loco it could be it has a printed numberplate? Can anyone who just got theirs tell us? If you are asking about the photo of the J15 then the numberplate comes from Guilplates. I got the white transfers done for me by Precision Labels. Excellent quality and prompt service.

Here's my attempt on the Hornby J15. I searched in WORD for a font which looked like the ROD one and got a couple of transfer sheets made up for me in white by an advertiser in a mag.: I'm looking forward to doing the same with the LNER J36. Can anyone tell me how to take the existing loco numberplate off so I can replace it with one from a loco that actually ran on the ROD? I've used Guilplates in the past but does anyone else provide this service?

In plain black you could also have it as a ROD loco in France. Transfers are available but you would have to replace the number plate as this loco wasn't a ROD one. Better than waiting for the incorrectly coloured khaki one Hornby currently intend producing.

. In the recent “British Military Railways Overseas in the Great War” compiled by The British Overseas Railway Historical Trust there is a chapter by Dr. P.E, Waters detailing the ROD broadgauge locomotives. There he says: “Liveries varied. Locomotives requisitioned in the early stages were usually sent to France in the livery of the owning company, but later locomotives were painted dull black . . . .Some engines may have been painted grey when new.” (page 309) In William Aves first book on the ROD “The Railway Operating Division in France” he says on page 128: “Such photographic evidence as survives indicates that where engines were repainted by their parent companies before dispatch, they were turned out in plain or matt black, or dark grey.” Then on page 129 he says: “As time went by, most ROD tender locomotives were repainted plain black. . .” The intended Hornby ROD loco, ROD 5662, for example, is based on a photo of the loco on its return to Eastfield shed in 1919, which photo appears in Aves book on page 118. There are two other photos of these locomotives in Aves’ second book on the ROD (The Lines Behind the Front), of ROD 6682 again at Eastfield in 1919 (page 79), and a lone one in France of ROD 5666 on page 71). The colour of these locos could be a faded dirty black or a dark grey. There is no evidence that they were ever coloured khaki and by 1919, when the photograph Hornby are undoubtedly copying was taken, they would almost certainly have been repainted. So, Dark Grey or Black. I think the latter most likely but have a look at the photos yourself. The only reference I've ever seen to any ROD locos in khaki is that some of the newly built Baldwins may have started out in khaki but were repainted black during 1918. I've never seen any justification for Oxford's khaki Dean Goods and I really hope that Hornby abandon their intended khaki J36. Their justification is a comment in a NBRSG magazine based solely on thre B+W photographs the Study Group have. The article by Euan Cameron appears in issue no. 125 and is entitled “The Holmes 18” 0-6-0s.” Of their colours when in the ROD he says: “Several photographs exist of NBR locomotives as returned from war service: the locomotives were painted in all-over drab which may have been khaki or dark grey, though khaki would have been the easiest colour to apply over the NB livery of the time.” But this is mere supposition and is contradicted by every other writer - as shown above.

Thanks to the invaluable assistance of the North British Study circle I’ve managed to get my hands on a copy of the 2015 article on the J36s in France with the R.O.D. that Islesy says Hornby are taking their information from. But in fact the article doesn’t say the J36 were painted khaki. Indeed all the evidence is to the contrary. The article by Euan Cameron appears in issue no. 125 and is entitled “The Holmes 18” 0-6-0s.” Of their colours when in the ROD he says: “Several photographs exist of NBR locomotives as returned from war service: the locomotives were painted in all-over drab which may have been khaki or dark grey, though khaki would have been the easiest colour to apply over the NB livery of the time.” By 1917/8 when the locos were sent to France the NBR locos were either in their pre-WW1 lined olive livery or the new goods livery of black lined yellow. In the recent “British Military Railways Overseas in the Great War” compiled by The British Overseas Railway Historical Trust there is a chapter by Dr. P.E, Waters detailing the ROD broadgauge locomotives. There he says: “Liveries varied. Locomotives requisitioned in the early stages were usually sent to France in the livery of the owning company, but later locomotives were painted dull black . . . .Some engines may have been painted grey when new.” (page 309) In William Aves first book on the ROD “The Railway Operating Division in France” he says on page 128: “Such photographic evidence as survives indicates that where engines were repainted by their parent companies before dispatch, they were turned out in plain or matt black, or dark grey.” Then on page 129 he says: “As time went by, most ROD tender locomotives were repainted plain black. . .” The intended Hornby ROD loco, ROD 5662 is based on a photo of the loco on its return to Eastfield shed in 1919, which appears in Aves book on page 118. There are two other photos of these locomotives in Aves’ second book on the ROD (The Lines Behind the Front), of ROD 6682 again at Eastfield in 1919 (page 79), and a lone one in France of ROD 5666 on page71). The colour of these locos could be a faded dirty black or a dark grey. There is no evidence that they were ever coloured khaki and by 1919, when the photograph Hornby are undoubtedly copying was taken, they would almost certainly have been repainted. So, Dark Grey or Black. Hopefully it is not too late for Hornby to avoid a livery error spoiling what looks set to be a very welcome addition to its range of J36s and give us an accurately coloured ROD loco.

Are there any photos of the WW1 charges? There are photos in Aves but they seem to be complete shells for smaller howitzers?

What is the white circular disc on the starboard side? It doesnt seem to appear on the WW1 gun. Is it removeable?

What size turning circle will the gun go round?

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If they are goling to give us a J36 in ROD livery (hopefully corrected from the image in the catalogue) can they not do one for their existing (excellent) J15? These locos were in France far longer than the J36s and there are plenty of wartime photos of them. Here is my attempt.

But should the ROD one be in khaki? This thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/140678-Hornby-2019-announcements/page-9 has an exhange with Islesy of Hornby on this (#216 down the page) A loco painted with ROD 5662 and photographed in this livery (page 118 of Aves) on its return from France would be in black, whatever colour it came to France in.

I'll speak to them at their stand at the Glasgow Show in February but any loco with the ROD 5662 lettering would have been painted in France, whatever colour it arrived there in earlier. And it would have been painted black. I'll just buy an LNER one, remove the lining and put my own lettering/numbers on.

A J36 in ROD livery - excellent! But in khaki? In Aves excellent book on the ROD (R.O.D. - The Railway Operating Division on the Western Front) he tells us that NBR locos were in their original livery in 1916 (black lined yellow) and were,like other locos sent either in that livery to France or, where repainted, it was in plain black or grey. He adds "As time went on most ROD tender locos were repainted plain black with the letters ROD, and in some cases their running numbers, in large 20" white characters on their tenders." A photo of the loco from Hornby appears on page 118 of his book with ROD 5662 on the tender on its return from France at the end of the war. The loco would have been black at the time it had this livery having arrived in France in November 1917 and returned to Eastfield Shed in around May 1919. Black was the predominant colour of ROD locos yet both the Oxford Dean Goods and this J36 appear in khaki. Is it too late to get Hornby to change it to the correct black?

At the Falkirk Show yesterday I acquired (from Douglas Blades) a copy of the massive "British Military Railways Overseas in the Great War" Big book, even bigger price - £50 ! Lots and lots of reading here but Chapter 24 is of especial interest to ROD modellers. Entitled R.O.D. Broad Gauge Rolling Stock on the Western Front and written by Dr. Paul E Waters, It provides comprehensive information and some photos of the various types of wagons the ROD had. Even better there are 8 scale diagrams of ROD wagons "reworked from SNCB sources" . They are: Standard RHC 10/12 ton open wagon (4 types with marginal differences) 20 ton Open with tarpaulin bar 20 ton Open with brakeman's platform Canadian Car and Foundry 20 ton Covered Van 20 ton Continental Pattern Boxcar Steel Bodied 20 ton Covered Van 20 ton Covered Van with brakeman's platform 12 ton 9' 8 and a half wheelbase British Covered Van To my untutored eye the first of these looks just like the Bachmann (and Dapol?) 7-plank wagons but I don't know if there are models or kits of any of the British built wagons available. Four of the Covered Vans were built to Continental designs with a view to selling them on there after the war and I'm sure no kits in 4mm exist. With the drawings scaled up to 4mm size (they are very small in the book), scratchbuilding would be possible, but given the leaps and bounds there have been in 3D printing in recent years, it would certainly be possible to make suitable ends and sides for these various wagons and put them on suitable 12' chassis. The text says too that many of the vans were given corrugated iron roofs as a protection against shrapnel. I intend contacting the author to see if it is possible to acquire larger copies of these drawings. This chapter also has photos not in Aves of ROD tank wagons and purpose built wooden bodied brake vans. The rest of the book consists of detailed articles and memoirs on a whole range of ROD activitiies and, despite the swingeing price, definitely worth acquiring

If I wanted one as they were in WW1 oin the ROD which of the models is closest and what would need to be done to it? (not paint as I would repaint and decal it if necessary anyway)

IIRC from Aves, ROD locos had their buffer beams in black not red.

I use a variety of 10.5mm spoked wheels for my wagons. I'm not pedantic about the number of spokes but 9 spoke can be bought here: http://steameramodels.com/wheels.htm My layout is circa 1917 so I add a variety of other locos in H0 to my layout representing "foreigners" commandeered to assist in shunting for the fleet at "Dundarg" and delivering long distance trains from the south. I have two scratchbuilt GNSR locos and a couple of other scratchbuilt locos from further south, one an 0-8-0 shunter from Kent. I have a variety of 6-wheel GNSR coaches using Worsley Works brass etches, GNSR vans from 3D printing and resin, brass etch GNSR brake vans and scratch built plastic opens to GNSR drawings using brass etch chassis produced by the British 1/87 Society. If you look in the Railways of Scotland section on this Forum you will see photos of some of my stuff.

Clarification: I model the GNSR in H0. The current query relates to a ROD cameo I'm building in 00 (in the fiddle yard of my GNSR layout) and for which I'm trying to loocate suitable WW1 era wagons. The ROD took over masses of PO and company wagons, both open and box, and had many thousands of others manufactured for them during the war.

I suppose what I am asking is which models represent 9 foot wheelbase open wagons with wooden(?) solebars and fixed(?) ends. I intend painting these as ROD wagons but there are only a couple of photos of these in Aves books and, to my untutored eye, its difficult to determine which the photos are of.