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Good day Dave and thank you for your informative response to my questions.

A further question please.  The first photo of the three (tilted) wagons suggests that the raft is not flat or at least the edges are wavy, what is the cause of this distortion?

Asking Qs because Son has started 3D printing with an Anycubic Photon Mono using resin from 3D Jake, the learning curve is likely to be steep and reading topics such as yours are helpful.

regards, Graham

Stephen, @Compound2632,

I have edited my previous post, please refer.  I shall have a look as requested sometime today / Monday.

Just to chuck the proverbial spanner...  my interest in the Edwardian era might produce information that is contrary to information that is contemporary with the grouping period...  after all, there are body design changes between 1887 and 1907 with further changes between 1907 and 1923 (these are the dates of significant revisions to the RCH specs for 8/10/12T mineral wagons).  Let us not forget also that the design features of a Gloster wagon might not be the same as comparable wagons from other builders in the wagon trade - which means, to take note of details in pre-group photos one does have to have some idea of the builder.

regards, Graham

2 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

That, I have to grovel and say, is my current opinion.

At this moment I am firmly in the belief that there are washer plates on the inside of the sheeting where there are bolts to secure the corner plates.  As far as I know, the only place where there is no washer plate on the inide of a circa 1900 Gloster wagon is for those bolts which secure the sheeting to the stanchions.  Possibly the most profitable source of photos of the inside of wagons, particularly those of the Gloster kind, are the images recorded by L E Copeland at Lydney Docks circa 1946 - these photos can be found in many places in the series of books about the "Severn & Wye Railway", by Ian Pope and others, Wild Swan / Lightmoor Press, volumes 1 to 5.

So, Mikkel @Mikkel, keep on hanging on for the moment.

regards, Graham

12 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

Thanks to the consolation of correspondence with @Andy Vincent who is in consultation with the Pope of Wagons, whose eventual pronouncement, the faithful believe, will be infallible truth.

Ian and I have discussed construction features for many years and there are still some aspects of some Gloster wagons that leave us in a puzzlement.  An example is that there are some photos where the lowest bolt through the end face of a corner plate appears to be at the centre line of the floor plank... so is this bolt actually a coach screw?

What made you think that tilting the print was necessary?

Similarly, what prompted the hole in the wagon floor?

regards, Graham

Purely for the record, the photo of High Wycombe was taken by probably E.S.Sweetland who had a commercial photographic studio in the town.  In the late 1960s I was able to obtain a copy of the photo from the studio...  probably from the original glass plate.

regards, Graham

Thank you for honouring us with another year of tales from the Kelvin Bank - really worth reading both your content and all of the subsequent comments.

regards, Graham

Thank you for changing the You Tube permissions, I have accessed the link.

An excellent video, a great advert for a 7mm Cl.37/4 model, sounds very nice indeed.

How can anyone stop at just one example?

regards, Graham

I have tried to access the start up video - youtube requires me to "sign in" to confirm that I am approved to see the video....  why?

16 minutes ago, Erudhalion said:

Is that photo in one of the S&W books?

My understanding from Ian is that first publication of this photo is.....  today!

As it happens, there is a broadside photo of a shunter's truck down in Lydney Docks...  possibly 1924 if that is a paint date to the RHS of the solebar.

Photo provided by Ian Pope from his collection, thought to be by L Copeland.

I am known for my interests in the GW&GC Jt circa 1910 and Large Logo Blue in the West Highlands during the summer of 1987...  neither of those interests get in the way of my appreciation of your modelling - I have enjoyed reading your topic throughout 2020 (and before), please continue to delight us all.

Just a thought, how maany D299 wagons can be found passing through?

regards, Graham Beare

7 minutes ago, richbrummitt said:

No, but the profile is different on a broad gauge conversion because the conversion was accomplished (in simple terms) by cutting a length-wise slice out of the middle of coach and joining it back together.

Not quite if we are to believe what John Lewis has written about the process (Model Railway Constructor Annual (1981)).  Swindon took two slices out of a BG body, the cutting was just to the inside of the coach side.  Hence the "centre" part of the roof line of the BG coach was retained.

2 hours ago, Miss Prism said:

It's difficult to predict when oil to gas conversions took place, and some V diagram vehicles kept their oil pots until a fairly late stage.

 

No need to predict when the HMRS Company Steward for GWR rolling stock can provide the dates...  first was no. 123 in July 1894 and last were nos. 116 and 119 by 29th February 1900 / 3rd March 1900.

Dave, the register entries for diagrams V8 and V9 record that some of the stock was altered to 4-wheel when converted to narrow gauge (conversion date is recorded as 23rd July 1892), you may wish to avoid numbers 114, 117, 120 and 124.  No. 130 was converted from 6 to 4 wheels in April 1923.

53 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

You don't mention how you formed the tumblehome...

Dave does not need to describe his method because there is no tumblehome on GWR Dean carriage stock.  On the other hand, Dave, pleased to read how you did the "turnunder" of the model.

Separately, information from HMRS Steward for GWR rolling stock is that a number of Dean passenger brake vans (V5 and the ilk) had oil lamps into the Edwardian period - maybe I ought to pose the question to John Lewis.

regards, Graham

Hello Dave,

The Slater's kit for Glos. 7 plank wagons has a cast brass buffer stock which is very similar to your piece of work.

regards, Graham

3 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

... courtesy of Ian Pope of Lightmoor Press...

Home of infinite rabbit holes and a never ending supply of tea and biscuits to accompany PO wagon discussions.

1 hour ago, wenlock said:

Hi Al, that’s a good point and something I hadn’t considered...   I guess we won’t know how it all looks in a gloomy exhibition hall until we can go to one!

Sherton Abbas candlesticks at each end of the beverage shelf - illumination and a means of warming the brews.

29 minutes ago, wenlock said:

... in the time is taken me to get halfway through one...

If that coach is half seats and half luggage....  which half have you finished?

17 minutes ago, NeilHB said:

Graham - don't suppose you know the Slater's product code at all please? Can't see any other than the ones that Dave's posted above listed on their website currently.

I do not know the order code....  David told me that the new buffer stocks were available when I spoke to him last month.

Dave,

What you have shown as the Slater's product and as fitted to your model is derived from the Slater's GWR Cattle Wagon kit...  and hence are "long" buffers, too long for a simple four plank wagon.  Chris Brown and I have access to parts of the GWR forging catalogue and our info includes the forging for the shorter wagon buffer - we provided that drawing to Slater's Plastikard last year and asked David White to produce a 7mm equivalent buffer stock / buffer ram with the spring internal to the stock (as per the typical POW models).  I understand from David that the product is available now.

regards, Graham

Fair takes my breath away.............  

1 hour ago, wenlock said:

Glad you like the wagon and thanks for the link to the book!  Its not one that I've got, so I think I might treat myself.

One of several that I am going to bring to the show in a week from now - you can then decide if the book is useful to you.

"Bressummer Beams" - well, that was a very interesting 20 minute diversion and if I understand correctly then every 15th/16th century wood building with a cantilever floor had examples of those beams adding up to considerable volumes of heavy stuff (heavy as in significant cross-section).

Dave - a pair of Barry Mites might be in order here...  or possibly something from Bland's timber stack carried on a pair of S&DJR single bolsters.

regards, Graham

15 minutes ago, Chrisbr said:

 Can't wait to see it in the flesh in a couple of weeks time at Basingstoke show.

Will he?  Won't he?

"sort the door banger plates of course"!

Now the interesting thought is this...  if the wagon is bringing timber in then how is it unloaded...  if the wagon is taking timber out then how is the load roped securely before transit?  Clever chaps these modellers of old Dorset railways.