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Quote:- “ job that needed to be done was to add the off-scene trailing turnout on the down fast to allow access to the shed area from the NW, via the single line next to the Pembroke Castle pub. I assume that this move was necessary for a banking engine that had to give assistance for longer than usual beyond the top of Camden Bank. I imagine that this was more likely to be the up train engine banking ecs which was under the charge of a less powerful loco, often a Std 4mt or a 2-6-4 tank of various types. But all that could be wrong. “ I have a schematic diagram of the layout controlled by Camden 2 signal box. Together with Photos from the book Great British Railway Stations EUSTON of the area just beyond the road bridge towards the tunnel portals the trailing turn out would appear to allow access to Engine Line 1 and Engine Line 2. This would then give access to the Down and Up Goods lines. The bottom picture showing the 4F on an ECS movement should be labelled as on the Down Slow (not the Up Slow) . The Caprotti 4-6-0 44749 could have come off shed to back down to Camden Goods depot. Very interesting to see the off scene layout beyond the road bridge.

Recent You Tube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCskWjZ6Niw "Favorite LMS Coronation locomotives" (That is how it is spelt in the caption) Pictures at 0.07 , 0.12 and 0.59 at Camden. at 0.26 Euston platform 2 and at 1.09 what i think is 46236 arriving at Paddington during the Loco exchange trials shortley after nationalisation,

This is looking really good.

I'm glad to see this thread is still active, I trust everyone is well.

Some more details about these out-takes can be read here:- https://railwaymoviedatabase.com/train-of-events/ I found this sentence particularly interesting:- " Indeed, all this footage has since been collected together and released by Video 125 in their Steam on 35mm DVD."

Just come across some out-takes from TRAIN OF EVENTS. No 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk8b9EyG6Cg&t=35s No 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EM8n-j4FPc&t=15s

You may be able to get a digital download.

I’ve come across this YouTube which shows departures from Euston in 1939 and early fifties. (The new Euston signal box commissioned in 1952 is shown) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRytH3vAzh0 the first 50 seconds show a Blue 6229. I assume this must be 6220 with a swapped identity (The red 6229 went to the USA in 1939 in the guise of 6220) There then follows the departure of The Royal Scott showing it’s progress to beyond Primrose Hill tunnels. At 1min 58sec you see the signaller in the Euston box press a button marked Bank Engine. (As I know very little about signal engineering I’m not sure whether this just notifies the signaller in Camden No 1 box that the train is being banked or whether something more sophisticated is going on.) At 2min 56sec the banking engine drops off very near to where Camden No 1 box stands. The Down Empty Carriage line and Up Engine line are shown to the right.

Just come across this you-tube of Willesden shed after the closure of Camden shed. has a nice shot of City of London moving in the shed yard.

Another video similar to the one above. Camden features for the first 30 seconds or so.

I've just come across this YouTube of Wilesden & Camden sheds Shots of Camden only appear inthe last 50 seconds or so but I think it's worth a viewing.

I’ve come across this you-tube video from 2014, which may be of interest. The relevant bits are from 1 min 50 sec up to 4 min 55 sec. It follows the path of the old Down Empty Carriage Line. ( I believe is now known as Line X) under the original 4 main lines. At 2 min.33 sec on the right are the remains of the old Signal box from 1953. From here it dives under the main lines to emerge on the western side. It then enters the tunnel under Parkway. After exiting the tunnel (3 min.35 sec) you can see the position of the exit of the route of the Up Empty Carriage line (Rat ‘ole) on the left. There is now a big metal structure on the old track bed. After passing the site of the old MPD the Regent Park Road bridge is at 4 min 22sec. and Primrose Hill Tunnel at 4 min 50 sec. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CN8ntbsdNI

Yes, I've been through there a couple of times,(about 59 yrs ago)

I wonder if these 2 photos may be of help. The caption for the Bewdley picture is:- Bewdley water towers, ex-LNWR (left) and ex-GWR (right)

Here are 2 photos from 1953. The first from the Euston book and the 2nd taken by Dick Blenkinsop. In the fore ground of the 2nd you can see the top of a water tank. The water tank appears to be in the yard of the Up Carriage shed. The caption for this states that the train on the down fast is hauled by 45721 Impregnable and the train with the rebuilt Scot on backing out line 4 is the stock for the Down Irish mail. I always thought that a station pilot hauled the stock into the platforms and the train loco backed down later. If you compare the water tank in the 1st photo with the shot I posted earlier( 14th May) of 46200 being piloted by a black 5 (taken in 1957/58) there seems to me an extra fitting on the top of the water tank.